TWG 150: Undertale

[TWG Mad Dummy]

I am more happy than unhappy, yes

I'm headed out for a bit, bbl.

[TWG Tsunderplane]

Originally Posted by TWG Napstablook

Plane you were one of the only people aside from Alphys who thought I was a monster. Personally I think that played a part in why she died, one less person to stand up for me today makes for a pretty easy lynch against me.

So I have to ask with everything you've seen this game and this phase in particular, where so you stand now?

your posts this game have felt town to me this entire time but the possible worlds in which you're a monster are getting rather unlikely

[TWG Tsunderplane]

Originally Posted by TWG Papyrus

you know i'm talking from my perspective, not yours, right? if napsta is a monster fmpov you would've insta'd hours ago

shit you're right, sorry for misinterpreting

[TWG Tsunderplane]

if we don't actually have a medic all my reads go out the window because it ruins everything

[TWG Napstablook]

Originally Posted by TWG Tsunderplane

if we don't actually have a medic all my reads go out the window because it ruins everything

We have literally zero proof that we've got a medic so it's a possibility.
I mean cop, oracle, bomb and medic feels a bit too good to be true in all honesty

[TWG Tsunderplane]

if we don't have a medic then my top world immediately becomes pap/dummy

the main reason I'm even considering the lack of a medic is that alphys died last night BUT I think the consensus is we expected them to roleblock alphys and kill temmie

so I don't know, fuck this game

[TWG Napstablook]

Speaking of which Greg wasn't very critical of the situation in which said claim was made.
iirc he said something to the effect of "if you've got a role you better claim right now" and that was that..no further discussion, no doubt no questioning despite there being multiple reasons to do so. It's all very odd.

[TWG Papyrus]

alright well, since the humans didn't block me there are four different blocks that could have happened barring some weird quirk about roleblocking the nightkill i don't know about (@xiz?):
1. nappy plane blocks alphys- at best they waste a phase learning that there's a medic, huge waste of time
2. nappy plane blocks dummy- this is a really poor decision and since plane is the most likely roleblocker in this scenario i'm not sure how she decides that my general UTR-ness early on combined with very explicitly noting that i caught her softclaim is less of a medic tell than, idk, dummy latching on to her saying "blue check"? if anything dummy sticking very strictly to his usual town game would make her think he's bomb and him claiming vanilla at the start of this phase made her feel safe to follow through on the soft and say "btw i'm bomb"
3. mad nappy blocks alphys- greg never lets this happen lol
4. mad nappy blocks plane- at least this one would be built on solid reasoning as far as i can tell. sure i was UTR but plane posted an actual softclaim whereas i merely acknowledged one. there's a lot of WIFOMery that could go on in this situation that i think greg is more susceptible to, but ultimately he'd have to decide that me acting "normal" implies that i'm most likely vanilla. also greg totally expected RB to pull out a fakeclaim here and is disappoint and likely buttfrustrated

[TWG Tsunderplane]

I absolutely believe that greg is one of the final humans, everything is adding up for it to be true

[TWG Napstablook]

Originally Posted by TWG Papyrus

also greg totally expected RB to pull out a fakeclaim here and is disappoint and likely buttfrustrated

I don't even know how to address this, but just know I got a good chuckle.

[TWG Tsunderplane]

mad nappy blocks me feels most reasonable especially since I cannot fathom a reason to block you over me with how overt my softclaim was

[TWG Tsunderplane]

especially with greg as the blocker since he would of course follow it up with "idk guys I don't see how she was softclaiming at all"

[TWG Napstablook]

I literally just quoted that post lol

[TWG Napstablook]

Originally Posted by TWG Mad Dummy

I didn't see it from Tsunder but I see what he's said about Napsta

For reference

[TWG Tsunderplane]

my point exactly, it's precisely the follow-up post I'd expect from greg if he's the roleblocker

[TWG Mad Dummy]

Originally Posted by TWG Papyrus

3. mad nappy blocks alphys- greg never lets this happen lol

I've medic-tested before, and I don't consider it to be a bad play in this scenario because you don't give town an extra lynch and the cop gains no info.

I mean its better to medic test earlier in the game rather than later, but this isn't really a waste of time imo

[TWG Mad Dummy]

Originally Posted by TWG Tsunderplane

especially with greg as the blocker since he would of course follow it up with "idk guys I don't see how she was softclaiming at all"

fwiw, and I'm not using it against you now that I think about it, I didn't see it.

I guess I kind of see it now in hindsight, but I certainly did not see it beforehand.

[TWG Napstablook]

Originally Posted by TWG Tsunderplane

your posts this game have felt town to me this entire time but the possible worlds in which you're a monster are getting rather unlikely

Originally Posted by TWG Tsunderplane

I absolutely believe that greg is one of the final humans, everything is adding up for it to be true

"Unlikely" vs "absolutely" is all I'm going to point out here, the decision of where you park your vote is up to you unlike in the..dare I say..Dummytatorship.

[TWG Tsunderplane]

Originally Posted by TWG Mad Dummy

fwiw, and I'm not using it against you now that I think about it, I didn't see it.

I guess I kind of see it now in hindsight, but I certainly did not see it beforehand.

this would hold water if papyrus hadnt explicitly pointed out my softclaim

I fully believe you blocked me and are now playing dumb to try to distance yourself

[TWG Mad Dummy]

Originally Posted by TWG Tsunderplane

this would hold water if papyrus hadnt explicitly pointed out my softclaim

I fully believe you blocked me and are now playing dumb to try to distance yourself

I mean yeah Undyne pointed out the softclaim, so I saw it, but I wasn't reading it as a softclaim. I was reading what Napsta said as a soft, though