Idea I've been mulling over that I'd like some input on

Afrobean · 05-7-2006, 08:44 AM

I've been trying to think of a way to gimp alliances without removing the blue roles they're based on.

I think I have something relatively effective.

It would be a standard game with seer, guardian, psychic, whatever. Completely normal. The special thing comes in that no one is allowed to tell anyone anything about their role whatsoever. In fact, they wouldn't even be allowed to tell that they're blue.

The seer wouldn't be able to tell anyone that they're the seer. They wouldn't be able to tell anyone that they had seer'd someone. The best they would be allowed is to say something to the effect of "my gut tells me..."

The guardian wouldn't be able to contact someone they saved and say "I'm the guardian." If they believe they're seer'd, they're not allowed to tell the person that they're the guardian.

Psychic is a little different. They can say how many wolves are left, but they can't make it seem as though they KNOW how many there are. They also can't say they're the psychic.

I'd also like to not have MW in such a game and bring back the framing. It seems like a more effective alliance gimp.

The problem comes up that this would all be on the honor system. The only medium I could actually police would be the thread, so I'd have to be sure none of you losers would cheat. I'm also unsure of what reprecussions should come from cheating.

Omeganitros · 05-7-2006, 10:13 AM

So, when a seer seers a human, the best he can do is say "I don't think he's a wolf, guys..."? And there's no stating you're human?

**aperson** · 05-7-2006, 10:38 AM

Restricting information flow isn't the way to gimp alliances, restricting information is.

Afrobean · 05-7-2006, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by aperson

Restricting information flow isn't the way to gimp alliances, restricting information is.

I know, but everyone loves their blues and isn't quick to wanna play a game with less blues.

**iggymatrixcounter** · 05-7-2006, 11:09 AM

Rather than not having the seer tell who he is, you could just have all that information posted publically. (I.E. the host would say who was seered and who was guarded.)

I've also thought about (in the case of the guardian and seer) that everyone sends in their "seer" choice and their "guard" choice, and a random person's choices are what is used. This way the roles are there but no one has absolute authority over it and therefore couldn't reveal himself as a seer or guardian.

Afrobean · 05-7-2006, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by iggymatrixcounter

Rather than not having the seer tell who he is, you could just have all that information posted publically. (I.E. the host would say who was seered and who was guarded.)

I've also thought about (in the case of the guardian and seer) that everyone sends in their "seer" choice and their "guard" choice, and a random person's choices are what is used. This way the roles are there but no one has absolute authority over it and therefore couldn't reveal himself as a seer or guardian.

Guardian coming out isn't huge, so consensus guarding is a decent idea, but consensus seering is not.

That's like giving the humans two chances to lynch a wolf each day.

nforcer06164 · 05-8-2006, 09:24 AM

Afro, the only problem here is, there is NO way to enforce this. At all.

**iggymatrixcounter** · 05-8-2006, 09:28 AM

No I didn't mean everyone voted for who to guard and who to seer.

I meant everyone would send in a seer report and who they would guard in a PM to the host and one random person's choices would be used.

EDIT: nevermind I got what you said the second time I read it.

**Tasselfoot** · 05-8-2006, 10:15 AM

Afro, I tried to come up with a way for this to work in TWG22. Whorli wanted to use the vigi, but as we know, it is a flawed role. So I tried to help her work it so that the vigi couldn't tell anyone he was the vigi. She got all confused, and it wasn't used in the game.

I'd imagine there was some discussion about it in the TWG22 signup thread if you wanted to look into it.

**aperson** · 05-8-2006, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Tasselfoot

Afro, I tried to come up with a way for this to work in TWG22. Whorli wanted to use the vigi, but as we know, it is a flawed role. So I tried to help her work it so that the vigi couldn't tell anyone he was the vigi. She got all confused, and it wasn't used in the game.

I'd imagine there was some discussion about it in the TWG22 signup thread if you wanted to look into it.

I will be submitting a hosting application for the next TWG, and trust me, I have quite a few ways to make a game of incompletion work.

**Tasselfoot** · 05-8-2006, 12:09 PM

Good for you. We'll see when you submit it, won't we.

05-20-2006, 12:14 PM

Having a no AIM, no PM game kind of has a similar effect. I like the idea of a no AIM, no PM (NANP) game because it makes sure that everything said is said publicly.

**aperson** · 05-20-2006, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by chardish

Having a no AIM, no PM game kind of has a similar effect. I like the idea of a no AIM, no PM (NANP) game because it makes sure that everything said is said publicly.

Totaly unenforcable outside of the bounds of reason, though.

I don't think you could trust someone to hold to those rules.

05-20-2006, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by aperson

Totaly unenforcable outside of the bounds of reason, though.

I don't think you could trust someone to hold to those rules.

It's more black-and-white than "you can't tell anyone your role, but you can insinuate it."

blahblah18 · 05-20-2006, 01:17 PM

you should be able to let wolves communicate outside then

**Tasselfoot** · 05-20-2006, 01:28 PM

telephones, ftw.

05-20-2006, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by blahblah18

you should be able to let wolves communicate outside then

I'd say yes to this, mainly because there'd have to be some consensus on who to kill.

05-7-2006, 08:44 AM	#1
Afrobean Admiral in the Red Army Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the moon Age: 36 Posts: 13,262	Idea I've been mulling over that I'd like some input on I've been trying to think of a way to gimp alliances without removing the blue roles they're based on. I think I have something relatively effective. It would be a standard game with seer, guardian, psychic, whatever. Completely normal. The special thing comes in that no one is allowed to tell anyone anything about their role whatsoever. In fact, they wouldn't even be allowed to tell that they're blue. The seer wouldn't be able to tell anyone that they're the seer. They wouldn't be able to tell anyone that they had seer'd someone. The best they would be allowed is to say something to the effect of "my gut tells me..." The guardian wouldn't be able to contact someone they saved and say "I'm the guardian." If they believe they're seer'd, they're not allowed to tell the person that they're the guardian. Psychic is a little different. They can say how many wolves are left, but they can't make it seem as though they KNOW how many there are. They also can't say they're the psychic. I'd also like to not have MW in such a game and bring back the framing. It seems like a more effective alliance gimp. The problem comes up that this would all be on the honor system. The only medium I could actually police would be the thread, so I'd have to be sure none of you losers would cheat. I'm also unsure of what reprecussions should come from cheating. __________________

05-7-2006, 10:13 AM	#2
Omeganitros auauauau Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Hee-Haw! Age: 35 Posts: 8,897	Re: Idea I've been mulling over that I'd like some input on So, when a seer seers a human, the best he can do is say "I don't think he's a wolf, guys..."? And there's no stating you're human?

05-7-2006, 10:38 AM	#3
aperson FFR Hall of Fame Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Houston Posts: 3,428	Re: Idea I've been mulling over that I'd like some input on Restricting information flow isn't the way to gimp alliances, restricting information is. __________________

05-7-2006, 11:09 AM	#5
iggymatrixcounter FFR Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: OH Age: 37 Posts: 1,924	Re: Idea I've been mulling over that I'd like some input on Rather than not having the seer tell who he is, you could just have all that information posted publically. (I.E. the host would say who was seered and who was guarded.) I've also thought about (in the case of the guardian and seer) that everyone sends in their "seer" choice and their "guard" choice, and a random person's choices are what is used. This way the roles are there but no one has absolute authority over it and therefore couldn't reveal himself as a seer or guardian. __________________ lastfm PANDORA

05-8-2006, 09:28 AM	#8
iggymatrixcounter FFR Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: OH Age: 37 Posts: 1,924	Re: Idea I've been mulling over that I'd like some input on No I didn't mean everyone voted for who to guard and who to seer. I meant everyone would send in a seer report and who they would guard in a PM to the host and one random person's choices would be used. EDIT: nevermind I got what you said the second time I read it. __________________ lastfm PANDORA

05-8-2006, 10:15 AM	#9
Tasselfoot Retired BOSS Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Widget Heaven Age: 40 Posts: 25,184	Re: Idea I've been mulling over that I'd like some input on Afro, I tried to come up with a way for this to work in TWG22. Whorli wanted to use the vigi, but as we know, it is a flawed role. So I tried to help her work it so that the vigi couldn't tell anyone he was the vigi. She got all confused, and it wasn't used in the game. I'd imagine there was some discussion about it in the TWG22 signup thread if you wanted to look into it. __________________ RIP

05-8-2006, 12:09 PM	#11
Tasselfoot Retired BOSS Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Widget Heaven Age: 40 Posts: 25,184	Re: Idea I've been mulling over that I'd like some input on Good for you. We'll see when you submit it, won't we. __________________ RIP

05-20-2006, 12:14 PM	#12
User6773 Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Idea I've been mulling over that I'd like some input on Having a no AIM, no PM game kind of has a similar effect. I like the idea of a no AIM, no PM (NANP) game because it makes sure that everything said is said publicly.

05-20-2006, 01:17 PM	#15
blahblah18 FFR Player Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: NOW BLAHTOPIA Posts: 1,662	Re: Idea I've been mulling over that I'd like some input on you should be able to let wolves communicate outside then __________________ but for now... postCount++

05-20-2006, 01:28 PM	#16
Tasselfoot Retired BOSS Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Widget Heaven Age: 40 Posts: 25,184	Re: Idea I've been mulling over that I'd like some input on telephones, ftw. __________________ RIP

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