TWG CLXIII: Allies and Adversaries - GAME THREAD

[Litodude]

Originally Posted by Vendetta21

peeked litodude vanilla green last night

balance of probability says the vigi is dead, but it could be a wolf

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGp9P6QvMjY

[Tokzic]

IMPORTANT FORMAT ANNOUNCEMENT!

There's a problem with how one of the rules is worded that I need to clarify.

This rule has two interpretations, and one of them is unintended:

1b. Wolf kill power increases with each wolf death. After one wolf is dead, wolves may target either Ally or Adversary of their target. The last wolf standing may target nightkills directly.

This is copied from the last game, where it was public knowledge there were 3 wolves. This format is semi-closed - the number of wolves is up in the air.

1b should be worded like this instead:

1b. Wolf kill power increases as the game plays out. If one wolf dies, wolf kills may target allies or adversaries. If two wolves die, wolf kills target directly.

[Litodude]

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe

Literally google "Allies and Adversaries game thread"

Here, gotchu

i'm on page55, is this seriously how mafia games are played in other forums? is this what's been going on here over the years?

there is literally nothing substantial other that stupid fuckin 'reads' on how people type no fucking wonder tokzic blew up at me in our ffya game because this culture is stupid

0 math games, all just pure rando dumbness.

[Litodude]

Originally Posted by Tokzic

IMPORTANT FORMAT ANNOUNCEMENT!

There's a problem with how one of the rules is worded that I need to clarify.

This rule has two interpretations, and one of them is unintended:



This is copied from the last game, where it was public knowledge there were 3 wolves. This format is semi-closed - the number of wolves is up in the air.

1b should be worded like this instead:

goddammit

[Litodude]

^we still have to make a random assumption if vigi died n1, or if 1 of 2 wolves died n1...but essentially that only if ppl agree w/ me that V is a fuccen awoo:

if vigi died n1 and alec is awoo: still fuckin random.

if sabo died n1 and alec is awoo: guardian/jail is super fucked because any PR (ME) is targeted directly, and guardian/jail has to randomly fuckin hope whomever they choose has me as their ally/advers

if 2x died n1 and alec is awoo: probably same as above, but also probably means that me saying who is confirmed green is a bad idea because guardian/jail can't know who to fuccen block and sabo power can still be used to fuck shit up

there is no if statement claiming alec is not awoo because he is fucking awoo

[Litodude]

Originally Posted by Litodude

if 2x died n1 and alec is awoo: probably same as above, but also probably means that me saying who is confirmed green is a bad idea because guardian/jail can't know who to fuccen block and sabo power can still be used to fuck shit up

based on voting structure and how the roles work, even if guardian/jail uses power, wolves can also still fucking guess from the list of players that vote who is human and change their kill anyway right if sabo still alive? please someone challenge me on this methodology before i say public who is green & if it's a bad idea for mass role reveal

[Litodude]

Originally Posted by Litodude

i'm on page55, is this seriously how mafia games are played in other forums? is this what's been going on here over the years?

there is literally nothing substantial other that stupid fuckin 'reads' on how people type no fucking wonder tokzic blew up at me in our ffya game because this culture is stupid

0 math games, all just pure rando dumbness.

http://nadota.com/showthread.php?398...=1#post1580937 this is the only post that has like substantial analysis until like page fuckin 99


btw the mimic guy flipped green LOL fucking dumb

[Litodude]

Originally Posted by Tokzic

1b. Wolf kill power increases as the game plays out. If one wolf dies, wolf kills may target allies or adversaries. If two wolves die, wolf kills target directly.:

yea anyway this confirms my points 1 and 2 earlier that wolves are between 3 - 5 but definitely not 6, so wolves couldn't make a power play on a specific PR role claim because they don't know what could exist and making a statement like that would be dangerous enough to cost them the game, considering they only have a every-other day guaranteed human kill (sabo power cooldown), and both players that claim a role would be lynched in day phase

[Litodude]

does 'peek' mean guess?

fuck me i made a mistake

i'm going upstairs to talk to my townies and shit like that

every1 come out

[Litodude]

Originally Posted by Vendetta21

peeked litodude vanilla green last night

no, no, i didn't make a mistake this is clearly a fuckingn power move fuck you alec i almost doubted myself for a second you fucking wolf

[Moogle-master]

hello i exist (aka im reading the thread and keeping up to date)

[ShadoWolfe]

Back for the moment.
Holy shit Lito did you buy that blaster or make it yourself?

[Litodude]

homemade got my own lab at the house

feel free to poke holes in my theories nd hopefully answer my 2 questions at some point while i wait for v response

[ShadoWolfe]

The way I see it, we have two choices this phase:

1. Most likely the better option. We lynch V (guaranteed wolf considering he said lito was vanilla green and lito is the cc). The benefits of this are that we definitely hit a wolf today, and we answer the question of inD's alignment.
This way this works is this: We lynch V. When he flips wolf, nobody puts Lito as Ally or Adversary. If Lito dies anyways, then we know inD was a wolf and that wolves can target directly(2wolves dead).
Or, if V flips wolf(non-gray) and Lito doesn't die, inD was the vigi and Lito comes back with a check tomorrow.

The cons of that choice are that we will probably lose our seer.

2. The other, potentially worse but potentially better option. We nolynch. Everyone places V as their ally, and a random non-Lito person as their adversary. PRs that target Allies send in no action. If V dies, inD was vigi. If Lito dies, we're dealing with a Sabotage Wolf. If anyone other than those two dies, inD was a wolf. In any case, if V doesn't die then we lynch him tomorrow with the certainty that inD was a wolf and whether or not we're dealing with a Sabotage Wolf.

Thoughts? 1 is relatively obvious, but 2 is an interesting alternative.

[ShadoWolfe]

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe

2. The other, potentially worse but potentially better option. We nolynch. Everyone places V as their ally, and a random non-Lito person as their adversary. PRs that target Allies send in no action. If V dies, inD was vigi. If Lito dies, we're dealing with a Sabotage Wolf. If anyone other than those two dies, inD was a wolf. In any case, if V doesn't die then we lynch him tomorrow with the certainty that inD was a wolf and whether or not we're dealing with a Sabotage Wolf.

Thoughts? 1 is relatively obvious, but 2 is an interesting alternative.

an alternative to 2 is lynching a non-V scumlean at EoD instead of nolynching, and then doing everything else as stated above^

[ShadoWolfe]

Sorry forgot to answer these.

Originally Posted by Litodude

before i continue, i'd like to ask a couple questions of the players:

what is the advantages or disadvantages of stating publicly who the human i rando-flipped are?

Definitely out it now.
There's a good chance you die tonight whether we lynch V or not, and your info is crucial.

Originally Posted by Litodude

also, question two:

is it better to keep those continuously randomized for now instead of individually picking your own allegiances? let's get some brain power in here please

Randomizing has benefits (negating doublecross wolf, mostly), but no, I don't think anyone should just randomize both. My previous two posts outlined situations where I think we should all have the same allegiance, but for the most part, in non-specific situations, I think that both our allies and adversaries should be our top scumreads. A big part of this setup is utilizing ally and adversary picks against the wolves directly and making them hurt themselves. This should hold true and go on until we know that two wolves are dead and that wolves must target directly, at which point our allies should become our top townreads and our adversaries should be our top scumreads.

[Litodude]

throwin it out there that i MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE used my n1 power

If they skip a night of using their power, their next check will check alignment instead of colour.

meaning m-m-m-mMAX POWER!! if i SAVED IT FUCK A CHAOS WOLF

but i could also have seered someone tonight OOOO WHAT NOW WOLFUCKERS

betr make a gud af comeback to this

[Litodude]

yea imma go ahead nd wait on that nd also hold off on the mass role-claim thing cuz i'm not awake enough to mentally comprehend all of the options

and meno throwin a nail in my grinder made me pause to think (thanks brah)

gnite

[Litodude]

ur option 1 also doesn't work dwolfe cuz V is a MW i bet

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No but seriously I doubt wolf Lito would counterclaim V in this case, that said, there is one case where V isn't a red here.....but I want to see V respond first.