Legacy Song Update?

[Xiz]

There is a lot of stuff going on the back end of FFR, and that's amazing. However, legacy songs have always been rather interesting on FFR, and perhaps they should be updated a bit.


Here is what I propose:

Any songs added to FFR that's older then 10 years old gets put into Legacy. Hopefully this can be setup automatically somehow? Since FFR has a massive amount of files, perhaps it might be time for a good ol' "out with the old, in with the new" approach or something >.>

[psychoangel691]

I was just thinking when I was doing the ffrmas event that we should do away with all the genres and just have things split into difficulties. The genres just feel way too messy anymore.

[Xiz]

I agree completely. Sort by difficulty, step-artist, music-artist, name, etc...

Would make it a lot cleaner.

[Kanzas]

Originally Posted by psychoangel691

do away with all the genres and just have things split into difficulties. The genres just feel way too messy anymore.

I agree completely.

[gold stinger]

I personally like the genres and I've stated in a previous thread that although it may be extremely difficult to set up, I would very much like to retain the current genres while adding difficulty genres, and then use the regular genres we have now as sub-genres to the difficulty genres.

Otherwise, I feel that the mixing of songs entirely written by notepad manually & songs that are made correctly but are just old are going to get extremely mixed up with one or the other, and make it that more uncomfortable trying to play the Legacy genre.

[psychoangel691]

When it comes to just the legacy genre, I guess I could go either way. It was mainly made to be a home for all the like synth files and such from what I remember.

[psychoangel691]

Originally Posted by gold stinger

I personally like the genres and I've stated in a previous thread that although it may be extremely difficult to set up, I would very much like to retain the current genres while adding difficulty genres, and then use the regular genres we have now as sub-genres to the difficulty genres.

Otherwise, I feel that the mixing of songs entirely written by notepad manually & songs that are made correctly but are just old are going to get extremely mixed up with one or the other, and make it that more uncomfortable trying to play the Legacy genre.

The problem I have with genres is there's too much diverse music being squeezed into a genre. Like dance/dance 2 is just a mess of so many different styles of music. I kind of hate that.

[rushyrulz]

Dubstep genre pls.

[gold stinger]

Originally Posted by psychoangel691

The problem I have with genres is there's too much diverse music being squeezed into a genre. Like dance/dance 2 is just a mess of so many different styles of music. I kind of hate that.

Use just difficulty genres and it becomes even more of a mashed potato salad. With difficulty genres and then using the regular genres as subgenres you would have a better sort for files, and that sort of diversity within a subgenre will be thinned out.

People will still be able to play the type of music they like, (misc, classical, arcade & rock for the most part is still really well sorted) and they will get an idea of what levels/difficulties they can play as proposed by this thread.

[Xiz]

Originally Posted by gold stinger

People will still be able to play the type of music they like, (misc, classical, arcade & rock for the most part is still really well sorted) and they will get an idea of what levels/difficulties they can play as proposed by this thread.

Then, for the search bar type in "rock"
and songs related to rock will show up. Not just song title.

If its an issue of just logging in the data needed for that, fuck i'll do it lol.

[gold stinger]

Originally Posted by Xiz

Then, for the search bar type in "rock"
and songs related to rock will show up. Not just song title.

If its an issue of just logging in the data needed for that, fuck i'll do it lol.

Do the sort that way, and you get all the difficulties from 1-99 unless you specify it, and I don't think newcomers & veterans alike are going to want to search for every song they want to play, as well as the difficulty, because it's mostly used for when they know the name of the song. People are going to want some level of randomness & convenience when it comes to picking a song. On top of that, it's a lot more extra work than is required.

If you just search "rock" you would get rock songs from 1-99.
If you just search "difficulty 1-20" you would get all songs from 1-20.

The way I propose makes it so you don't have to search both things together, they're already sorted that way.

Back on topic with the poll & thread title though I say no to putting songs 10 years and older into the legacy genre because the mix of blue note syndrome & legitimate files may become a headache to some individuals.

[Xtreme2252]

I think Legacy should just be a nice way of moving obsolete charts away from charts that are more acceptable by modern charting standards. That being said, I think accurate charts 10 years or older and not Purchased should remain and others should be moved. And I would say that newer songs that are not terribly accurate should be legacy as well

Examples of songs that I think should be Legacy:
Abtrusity
Cash Cow
Domani
Fett's Vette
For FFR
Ingenuity
Nova Pulser
Straight to Video
Victims and Martyrs

Examples of songs I think should not be legacy:
Contradistinction

[XelNya]

Originally Posted by psychoangel691

I was just thinking when I was doing the ffrmas event that we should do away with all the genres and just have things split into difficulties. The genres just feel way too messy anymore.

Can we do away with listing them in game too while we're at it?

I mean the information in game is worthless and honestly wayyyyyyy to subgenre'd to actually be useful if you asked me.

Also I'm all for splitting it by difficulty. I think that'd be just wonderful.

However, having all files 10 years old go to legacy would be a bit.. Weird.

Like FFR's "Legacy" shouldn't be arguably bad files.

I think we should also rename legacy to something else while we're doing this.

[gold stinger]

It still just feels awkward to me that we put all the blue note syndrome files into the Legacy genre, and now people want to move regular charts into this area as well. As much as I can understand the viewpoint, I don't understand how this helps organization/sorting/cleanliness.

[noname219]

^It does fuck all.

And I agree we should go by difficulty.

And I think we should scrap "categories" (dance, dance 2, arcade, etc.) altogether and make it possible to search "styles" with the filter or search option.

edit : we should be focusing on a long-term plan. Arbitrarly assigning genres like they did at the beginning was only good for the songs present in the engine in 2003, each of the "categories" had 4-6 songs and updates were more frequent and easier since the site was in expansion. Today, it would be insane to adapt 4 or 5 engines to represent each genres fairly and proportionally. Genres are constantly shifting and so, they do not represent a good "base" to create a solid structure. And we now have many more tools we can use or improve (search option, filter option, queue option, ffr song list, the wiki) that players can use to find genres they like and want to play.

[rushyrulz]

Originally Posted by gold stinger

Do the sort that way, and you get all the difficulties from 1-99 unless you specify it, and I don't think newcomers & veterans alike are going to want to search for every song they want to play, as well as the difficulty, because it's mostly used for when they know the name of the song. People are going to want some level of randomness & convenience when it comes to picking a song. On top of that, it's a lot more extra work than is required.

If you just search "rock" you would get rock songs from 1-99.
If you just search "difficulty 1-20" you would get all songs from 1-20.

The way I propose makes it so you don't have to search both things together, they're already sorted that way.

Back on topic with the poll & thread title though I say no to putting songs 10 years and older into the legacy genre because the mix of blue note syndrome & legitimate files may become a headache to some individuals.

I know doing a sort like that wouldn't be hard at all as long as every song has the proper attributes to sort by. I don't know about flash, but as far as any given scripting language, no problem.

[Xiz]

So:

Sort by difficulty
Sort by song artist
Sort by step artist
Sort alphabetically


Just those. What'cha think Velo? Zag? Anyone lol