TWG 192: Sunfan's Cool Game Game Thread

[roundbox]

Originally Posted by Funnygurl555

his move wasn't helpful as either alignment but that's just not the move that someone would do if they were on a team. an avoidable lynch is much more damning for wolves than for town, you know?

granted i'm not freezin and idk what he was really up to but ik as a wolf i wouldn't pull that shit

what you would normally do as a wolf has no bearing on what happened
that being said, what's stopping freezin, who was very much the vote majority leader, to not do something to spew clear on a random person? it's definitely a possibility. obviously we know he's town now, but we had no idea of truly knowing his alignment at that point in time

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar

You and Round where preaching it.
I think there's more then a passing chance it was opportunistic

At this time he needs to be pressured because he has little to show for 2 phases, I just wish Haku's slot was gone because between the claim and Funny basically doing nothing but throwing a child's fit the slot really fucks with me wanting to entertain not voting it to the great ether

it was a hot opportunity. KITB was becoming a possibility if the three of them (Gradiant, funny, freezin) swapped onto DBP
funny/freezin are definitely not a team (thanks flip)

why didn't people really respond/engage to me yesterday about dabackpack? it seemed like only plop and gradiant were talking about it at some point

Originally Posted by Gradiant

did you end up believing any amount that you were going for possible scum here, or were you just voting for someone you thought was town because the dbp you had left wasn't going anywhere?

yes, I did believe dabackpack was scum at that point in time
I got cold feet from the CFD, and I wanted to have a viable vote this time since it was going to be pretty much 5-5 freezin/fg at that point in time and me having a random-ass vote on dabackpack was just stupid as hell. the CFD made me think something shady was going in with some potential partner relationship between fg/freezi/storn. freezi had voted storn, so that spew clear earlier thing felt like a possibility

Originally Posted by fatfuck42

As for teams, gradiant/angel/[round,raeko,dap,duk] or round/dap/[angel,raeko,duk,gradiant] is where I'm at.

me and backpack? the fuck are you on about?

Originally Posted by Gradiant

not sure why I as a wolf here would be the only one up to this point to point out possible dbp/rb pairing if I'm also their teammate. Neither of them have really been possible lynch candidates aside from dbp last phase but I'm not really counting that shitshow of vote switches. With how game's gone so far, it'd certainly be way easier to just coast and keep throwing lynches on the people that have already been show to be easy to wagon rather than point out a pair based on a hard tinfoil.

people were floating me d1 (psycho/xiz), so it's not that far out of the realm of possibility


in the span of typing this post, I saw that backpack posted a ton of shit
sup

[DaBackpack]

Originally Posted by roundbox

yes, I did believe dabackpack was scum at that point in time
I got cold feet from the CFD, and I wanted to have a viable vote this time since it was going to be pretty much 5-5 freezin/fg at that point in time and me having a random-ass vote on dabackpack was just stupid as hell.

OH LOOK, he directly confessed to:

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

So this is a fun bit of maneuvering too, but it did exactly what needed to. It stole STORN'S and FREEZIN'S vote off of FG and on to me. That is the only thing that needed to happen to keep FG alive, and it allowed roundbox to move to freezin.

Funnygurl was posed to have 5 votes, which could have put her in KITB which was too risky. So Funnygurl moved her vote off of Freezin as a gamble, initially putting her at a +2/+1 lead on freezin, instead of +1/0. But she convinced Storn and Freezin to swap OFF of herself, bringing her to 0/-1, and when roundbox swapped back to freezin, it created -1/-2 against freezin, which guaranteed her survival.

There you go. Game is 2/3 solved

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

There's a glaring contradiction here. Remember how roundbox originally was going to vote for me? And how he had me as scummy but somehow landed on freezinice.

If these two weren't paired together, wouldn't it make more sense for roundbox to vote for ME instead of for freezin? After all, his actual scumlean (me) is gaining traction in a CFD. Why swap to Freezin instead?

It's easy---- roundbox needed to guarantee that "somebody" that wasn't FG was going to get majority. By roundbox's own words "DBP should be the lynch", but his actions say "I can't take my vote away from Freezin because that puts FG at risk."

[MixMasterLar]

Man I don't wanna just agree with DaBackPack by default because he's preaching what I want to hear

But that is a compelling argument.

[MixMasterLar]

@round I personally feel like me saying DBP should be solved after we see how he handles EoD and we resolve Haku's slot as engaging the topic, but I guess it wasn't what you wanted to hear

[DaBackpack]

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar

Man I don't wanna just agree with DaBackPack by default because he's preaching what I want to hear

But that is a compelling argument.

The most important thing here is that FG needs to die today, period. My post train indicts roundbox as a FG partner and also serves to explain exactly what happened at EoD, but it isn't going to be perfect and you don't have to agree with every step in the process. A FG flip gives us crucial information and if she flips wolf then we can really dig in to what I wrote above to evaluate roundbox.

[roundbox]

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

There's a glaring contradiction here. Remember how roundbox originally was going to vote for me? And how he had me as scummy but somehow landed on freezinice.

yes, sure did bubaroo
this point is so laser-focused on EOD and ignores the interactions of the rest of the day, so you can rightly buzz off

see my most recent post on viable lynches at the time + voteswap bullshit; there was no real indication of ANYONE talking about you other than me for the entire day, minus plop/gradiant (other people either said nothing or mentioned it as a side thought)

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

If these two weren't paired together, wouldn't it make more sense for roundbox to vote for ME instead of for freezin? After all, his actual scumlean (me) is gaining traction in a CFD. Why swap to Freezin instead?

It's easy---- roundbox needed to guarantee that "somebody" that wasn't FG was going to get majority. By roundbox's own words "DBP should be the lynch", but his actions say "I can't take my vote away from Freezin because that puts FG at risk."

as I mentioned, viable lynches + voteswap bullshit

I had a sour taste in my mouth on freezin after his reentry before the first EOD and jumping right back into bolth
I gave a vote on him the next day to apply pressure to ask him for more, and lar and haku jumped on it in that order
I found some greasy shit he did during the first EOD (along with some other people) as well as you
I floated both of you as potential scum/lynch opportunities (see post 1078)

maybe if you read more than EOD you would understand the context of my vote, rather than, once again, force some fake bullshit on me that completely ignores the context of the whole phase

[MixMasterLar]

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

The most important thing here is that FG needs to die today, period. My post train indicts roundbox as a FG partner and also serves to explain exactly what happened at EoD, but it isn't going to be perfect and you don't have to agree with every step in the process. A FG flip gives us crucial information and if she flips wolf then we can really dig in to what I wrote above to evaluate roundbox.

Oh I've been preaching that slot needed to go for like 2 phases now.

But the pushback has been real af man. Shit, look at the mental gymnastics Plop had to do to justify Funny voting me. It's a goddamn mess in here.

[MixMasterLar]

I appreciate this Round v DBP debate so much gonna make dinner and read it from the sidelines

[DaBackpack]

Originally Posted by roundbox

yes, sure did bubaroo
this point is so laser-focused on EOD and ignores the interactions of the rest of the day, so you can rightly buzz off

see my most recent post on viable lynches at the time + voteswap bullshit; there was no real indication of ANYONE talking about you other than me for the entire day, minus plop/gradiant (other people either said nothing or mentioned it as a side thought)



as I mentioned, viable lynches + voteswap bullshit

I had a sour taste in my mouth on freezin after his reentry before the first EOD and jumping right back into bolth
I gave a vote on him the next day to apply pressure to ask him for more, and lar and haku jumped on it in that order
I found some greasy shit he did during the first EOD (along with some other people) as well as you
I floated both of you as potential scum/lynch opportunities (see post 1078)

maybe if you read more than EOD you would understand the context of my vote, rather than, once again, force some fake bullshit on me that completely ignores the context of the whole phase

I don't doubt that you had freezin in your sights early on

I also don't doubt that you cast suspicion on me as well--- fypov, either lynch would be fine

but it is specifically THAT a wagon on me didn't happen that you chose Freezin as the lynch target. You said it yourself. This doesn't automatically exonerate you as town, though, since it is NAI by itself. The opposite world could have happened where DBP was the lynch instead of Freezin. We'd be in the same place, having the same discussion (well I guess freezin would)

what do you think about FG now?

[roundbox]

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

OH LOOK, he directly confessed to:

Originally Posted by roundbox

hey at least we're mindmelding


and gradiant I'm just gonna vote freezin, I think going to a KITB is a silly idea

you're twisting this particular post out of context

see these two posts beforehand

Originally Posted by roundbox

I'm not voting for fg/haku

freezin has made some opportunistic votes (psycho, xiz)
it's kinda fucking with my head now that he did that iso on haku

why is he putting that much work into believing a vote when he could just self-pres against the slot and be done? his stubbornness is also reminding me of the last FE mystery game where his stubbornness and bullheadedness really frustrated me. I see some minor parallels with that and how psychoangel is reacting

am I doing the same shit now with freezin as I did last phase with shadowgod
is this my life now

Originally Posted by roundbox

I vote freezin over FG here even if I'm not feeling it
just stating my intentions

I indicated I was switching off of you way before gradiant responded to me saying that he might swap

b r u h

[roundbox]

I need to sleep
I was up too late looking for dumb bullshit tickets (fuck airplanes btw)
I'll respond to lar/you tomorrow backpack

[roundbox]

to quickly respond: I haven't been too impressed with fg's posting this phase

most of my read on her, if not all of it beforehand, came from haku

[roundbox]

ok bye

[DaBackpack]

TL;DR you could literally have swapped Freezin and me and things would have gone comparably. I'm not indicting you for not having a scumlean on Freezin, it's more that all of your actions in the last 20 mins of the phase enable FG to survive like she did.

There's a possibility you're town and you really believed what you said and just so happened to serve as FG's pawn in the above fashion, but that's why you're not in the spotlight (yet). FG needs to be resolved before you get lynched.

[DaBackpack]

Originally Posted by roundbox

you're twisting this particular post out of context

see these two posts beforehand

I indicated I was switching off of you way before gradiant responded to me saying that he might swap

b r u h

None of this changes anything, the situation is the same regardless of when you hinted these things

The things that matter are

you had both me and Freezin as wolves

your actual SWAP to freezin occurred AFTER Funnygurl voted me

the reason it was Freezin is because Freezin was "winning" against FG

you brought up the CFD/Funnygurl KitB as a reason why you didn't vote me

---the EoD plays out the same

[DaBackpack]

Originally Posted by roundbox

to quickly respond: I haven't been too impressed with fg's posting this phase

most of my read on her, if not all of it beforehand, came from haku

then I'm going to force you to evaluate the FG slot this phase, in a more holistic sense

[DaBackpack]

I'll admit I was wrong about Haku. I guess in the end they decided that committing to the claim was bad for the long-term, despite Haku's general playstyle

From a wagonomics perspective yesterday's EoD doesn't happen without wolf intervention. The most obvious choice is that this was a defensive maneuver. If town is lynching T/T, the wolves sit back and let it happen. The only time I have ever fucked with a T/T wagon as a wolf is in my first champs game, when I pretended to defend a wolf partner by starting a new wagon, so when that person flipped green later, I was clear.

That is a process that I had to set up an entire day in advance though, not one that you can tie together in the last 30 minutes of the phase without looking crooked

[DaBackpack]

by "T/T wagon" I mean "both leading wagons were towns" btw

[DaBackpack]

Regardless of all that.

Resolve the counterwagon when a wagon flips town. Almost always. That shouldn't be a controversial opinion.

[MixMasterLar]

DBP you got time to read Duk3 and Plop this phase and give me thoughts?