Old 07-22-2019, 09:01 AM   #101
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I don't think Xiz made an error there?
Doesn't seem like it anyways
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The error in question was that Soundwave was not suppose to die.

Actually, he wasn't suppose to die in 2 different ways according to the night actions. One for getting an item that apparent gave him a vest for that specific night, and one for Gradiant redirecting (forcing aggro) on Devonin.
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The interpretation of the role being seen as both die is super misleading because, just going by THE ROLE PM it specifically states you force aggro. It does not say you and player x's target get the same action.

That is not what "force aggro" means.
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Old 07-22-2019, 09:08 AM   #104
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I don't disagree that this is my interpretation
its probably just v poorly worded but when I was talking to Xiz, he said that it resolved how he intended it to
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If that is actually how it was mechanically intended, then Gradiant's role from the very start of the game was just incorrect mechanical info, lmao.
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Then again, making things work in this setup must've been a nightmare to keep track of.

Bastard games with wild roles that don't exist anywhere else be damned!!!
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xiz has 2 games btw
send him 1 more pls and ty
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I don't disagree that this is my interpretation
its probably just v poorly worded but when I was talking to Xiz, he said that it resolved how he intended it to
how about soundwaves' vest then?
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Old 07-22-2019, 10:05 AM   #109
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Old 07-22-2019, 10:44 AM   #110
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yeah ok
Xiz says he made a mistake with that one and that the vest was real therefore soundwave shouldn't have died
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Old 07-22-2019, 12:04 PM   #111
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I think one possible solution to the question of angleshooting would be to give local mod powers to whoever is currently hosting a game, and so if they're in a situation where what the HOST wants is "I should have killed Gradiant, so I also don't want his posts that he made when he should have been dead being around" they can just delete the posts.

Hosts deleting or editing as needed to ensure invalid info isn't being left around seems like the easiest way to set the bar for what's allowed or not. Host leaves it up? You can use it. Host removes it, referring to it gets you penalized.

It's basically what happens in a court when somebody says something and the judge has to tell the jury to ignore it.
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Dev, that's a very good comparison. And Charu, I was just using your situation as an example and not a comparison. It was the first one I could think of as of recently that was in that neighbourhood.

This situation came about as host error, and I am by no means trying to throw Xiz under the bus or bash him (Being chopped liver got my goose this game lmao). I fucked up so many things with mod communication in my TPB game that I think the only lesson or takeaway here is that mod errors always suck and humans make mistakes. If you've hosted enough games, you've got some bad memories stuck in your head about dumb decisions you made as mod. It's happened to us all and there's no perfect remedy or solution for how to handle each sticky host situation. One more negative example from my hosting experience for memory lane: my first mystery game that I hosted upon my return in 2015. Red Blaster had posted his role PM in thread, so I modkilled him, but my stupid brain FORCE ENDED THE DAY PHASE AND DIDN'T GIVE TOWN A LYNCH. That one still hurts.

All that being said, I think it's probably more obvious when someone is breaking this rule than we're making it out to be. Lar, nobody will probably be banned or reprimanded for angleshooting in the near future since it really does take some dirty effort, and people are going to call it out.

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Hosts deleting or editing as needed to ensure invalid info isn't being left around seems like the easiest way to set the bar for what's allowed or not. Host leaves it up? You can use it. Host removes it, referring to it gets you penalized.
You can't unsee what you saw, and if I can't refer to it but know to look for the first thing that Player X does wrong as the reason to vote them because of it then I'm still using the information?

Because the alternative is running away in the opposite direction just to try not to break the rules, which isn't a situation you want to force on someone.
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xiz has 3 games now
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roundbox, modkills taking the place of lynches for town is how it should be
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How can we really be sure of that tho :thonking:
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