FFR's Top One Handers

[Bluearrowll]

Originally Posted by Bynary Fission

not even Blue has an SDG on that song,


~Bynary Fission

159 8 Eternal Nightmare [Heavy] 2,163,700* 1391 6 0 0 0 1397 40

from my levelranks

excluding today.

If that's not a SDG I don't know what is.

[Card Man]

Okay I understand what you all are saying. We should definetly keep the AAA for Eternal Nightmare. Personally, I too do not like when Bynary uses Blue for an example. "If blue cant do it nobody can" is what he seems to think. I also see your point red; I suppose that multiplayer token should say, "Get a MP level of 15 or higher." Thanks for the insight and opinions everyone! At first I wasn't too sure about making some ST's but now I feel very welcomed. Thanks.

[Bynary Fission]

Originally Posted by Bluearrowll

Keep it as an AAA. And stop using me as an example. "not even blue SDG'd Death Piano we can't FC it" is what it's going to turn into next.

Though, just for kicks i'll play it now and see what I get.

I don't use you as a barometer for what should be added and shouldn't be, based on whether you are able to get it or not. I sometimes use you as a difficulty gauge for a token, but I will not reject a token's reqs on the grounds that you can't do it.

Originally Posted by UserNameGoesHere

Take me off the list if you want. Let me explain.

Today I found that what was holding me back average rank-wise were basically all the songs that require fast mash, moreso than skill and accuracy.

So, I switched my layout from the default to m,./ and two-handed mashed the following songs to improve ranking along with the results shown below.

[ranks]

As you can see, most of those are quite significant rank drops.

For the fun songs I use one-handed though. I only did that for the average rank drop to get me under 1000 so I could get the token.

Now I understand why some people do so much better than me at certain of the hardest songs multiplayer. They're not better than me skill or accuracy-wise, but simply they choose 11s or 12s and mash them. It also makes a lot of sense now why their lifebars would be so much worse than mine and yet they still win overall. It's from the boos from mashing and from the huge bonus from a better combo.

Alright, so I have concluded that one-handed play is best for skill, accuracy, and just plain fun whereas two-handed mash is best for the ridiculous stuff.

I'm still going to primarily play one-handed. Only things I'm not doing it on are the mashfests, specifically for that purpose.

I frown on all forms of mashing, one or two handed. Since you still play one handed for everything else, you won't be removed. However, since this is a ranking of all the best players, I ask that you not mash. Look at my average rank. I don't have any mashed songs on there, yet it's still only 563, and always getting lower.

If you want to mash, I cant stop you, but I prefer you let your average rank truly reflect your skill.

Originally Posted by marioGP87

Hey, can you add me to the list since I play one-hand. (three fingers for the format) Can someone make me an ST as well? I have the req but I suck at drawing tokens.

You've got to get your average rank below the person in 30th place.

Originally Posted by Card Man

Okay I understand what you all are saying. We should definetly keep the AAA for Eternal Nightmare. Personally, I too do not like when Bynary uses Blue for an example. "If blue cant do it nobody can" is what he seems to think. I also see your point red; I suppose that multiplayer token should say, "Get a MP level of 15 or higher." Thanks for the insight and opinions everyone! At first I wasn't too sure about making some ST's but now I feel very welcomed. Thanks.

I'll keep the AAA req then, since everybody wants it to stay. However, no more of these types of tokens please. I was hoping Etude could be one of a kind, and adding more takes that away. I agree that we need more hard tokens, but not too many.


It makes me smile to see all the discussion going on.



~Bynary Fission

[Card Man]

Okay, so with all of this said, here are the final requirements.

-The BIG 1-5 Token Req: Obtain a Multi-Player level of 15 or higher.

- Wake UP! Token Req: AAA Eternal Nightmare [Heavy]

- Totally Grand Token Req: Obtain 100,000,000 or more grand total in one day.


I fixed the backgrounds; thanks Bynary.

[Bynary Fission]

Added your tokens in. I really like the WAKE UP! token. Cool image.


~Bynary Fission

[Bluearrowll]

New token. Will edit this post when finished GFX.

Ok probably my choppiest work ever but meh.


Token: Lie Low

Requirement: Pass Hardkore Atomic with more than 480 misses, and exactly 6 combo.

And here's me doing the requirement. (There's a trick to this that makes this really easy to get)

[irishknight]

omg omg omg....
























**** YEA! RACE CONCLUDED! Someone go for 2nd place.
http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...play/28240148/

[Ponygonpwns]

HOLY **** how did you do that! Good job, and I'll go for last since I can't even FC that. :P
EDIT: Post 800, yays!
EDIT2: Nevermind, FC'd it with a score of 55-1-0-2. 32nds at the end suprised me. :P Did this with no volume.

[Bluearrowll]

1) Congrats Irishknight on beating me to it :P I got a blackflag on The Entertainer earlier today -.-

2) I'm adding one more token, which will be very similar to Nanairopanda v2

3) Here's the Token.

TOKEN: Sunny Side Up v2

Requirement: Miss all 48th notes (Cyan notes) on Sunny Side Up with 15 or less goods, 2 or less averages and 10 or less boos.

This should be ok considering there's a couple rolls in there that are tricky.

[irishknight]

AAA'd another VD song (the wanderer) that I BF'd in the past today. I must be on another roll.

EDIT: I'm going to try FF evolution.
EDIT2: Aw ****, BF'd it again.

[Ponygonpwns]

Yays, I FC'd Less Talk More Rokk with a score of 52-0-0-2. Random boos =

[Bluearrowll]

2nd and below 100 average.

Irishknight didn't win by much

[Ponygonpwns]

Nice job Bluearrow! HOLY **** ALMOST ALL SONGS FCD WITH 50 PERCENT FCS? I CALL HAX! jk you know i wuv you <3

[irishknight]

At least I got first.

And what sucks more is that I BF'd and SDG'd FFR Evolution so many times.

[Redorigami]

FFR Evolution is a serious bitch to do, takes too much consistency because of the weird slow BPM.

PS Good job irish, I remember getting Fig Leaf Rag AAA at someone else's house back forever ago and how it pissed me off so much, I don't even know if I ever got around to AAAing it on my account even since I switched.

[Ponygonpwns]

Originally Posted by irishknight

EDIT: My desk is infested with mosquitoes. Damn /scratch

*is now itchy for no reason*
Also, how many songs do I have to FC to get 50% songs FC'd?

[Bluearrowll]

Results of whoring my tournament song to no avail.


Card Token #2.

[Bynary Fission]

Damn, I leave for a bit and you two push me in third place.

Added your tokens in and updated your token count. Man, you make me wanna create a really hard anti, rofl.


~Bynary Fission

EDIT: Complex images are so hard to clean up.

And, I notice you ripped those reqs from LunaMarionette and Nanairopanda v2.

[Dronak]

Originally Posted by Bynary Fission

I frown on all forms of mashing, one or two handed. . . . If you want to mash, I cant stop you, but I prefer you let your average rank truly reflect your skill.

I agree that mashing isn't the greatest thing to do, but in some cases for some people, it's the only way to get through a song. I try to avoid mashing most of the time, but harder songs often don't give me much choice. As the songs get faster and contain more arrows grouped more closely together, my ability to read them as separate arrows (or sets of arrow patterns) gets worse, not to mention my fingers lose their ability to keep up with the tempo. When that happens, especially if I can't read the arrows, mashing is my only hope of staying alive and passing the song. And my hand-eye coordination probably isn't getting better as I get older, so that's working against me, too, and sometimes leads to more mashing.

Generally when I'm playing songs, I'm trying to improve my scores along the lines of: fail to pass, pass to FC, FC to SDG, SDG to PC/AAA. Obviously to get to a PC, I can't mash. However, mashing can mean the difference between failing and passing. And I have to pass a song to see all the arrows in it before I have a chance at FCing it. The better the score I'm going for, the less mashing I can do. Sometimes it comes down to one or a few small sections that I have to mash through to FC the song. Through repeated plays, I try to cut down on the mashing. But I don't see mashing as something to avoid completely. It's not a great technique, but it has its uses. And if you can't stop mashing eventually, you'll never be able to get the best scores in the game. For anyone who wants to reach the top, that should be enough reason to stop mashing sooner or later. Me, I never expect to reach the very top, so I usually do what I need to in order to improve my scores.

For the most part, I rarely play the songs that require a lot of mashing for me though. They're not that fun for me. I find them to be too fast most of the time, with dense arrow patterns that seem to be that way just to be difficult, because many times I can't see/hear how the arrows match the music on the hardest songs. I'm not saying they're bad stepfiles or anything -- perhaps I'm just not good enough to truly appreciate them. But since I want to have fun, I tend to play middle-difficulty songs. I can play these fairly well, but still get a challenge. Somewhere around 7-8 is where I start getting challenged, but can do OK. At 9+, things tend to get much worse. I probably used to mash lower difficulty songs, but over time I improved enough to avoid that. I even got my first difficulty 6 PC the other day, something I probably never imagined when I might have had to mash parts of them.

So I guess the bottom line is that I do mash (one-handed, just like I play all the time) if I feel like I have to, but I try to avoid it, and over time I try to reduce how much I mash. But some songs still force me to do it, because I'm just not good enough to get through them without it. My scores are the best I've been able to get. OK, I mashed some of them, but that means they're still worse than people who didn't mash, so I don't think there's a real problem with that.

[Bynary Fission]

Originally Posted by Dronak

I agree that mashing isn't the greatest thing to do, but in some cases for some people, it's the only way to get through a song. I try to avoid mashing most of the time, but harder songs often don't give me much choice. As the songs get faster and contain more arrows grouped more closely together, my ability to read them as separate arrows (or sets of arrow patterns) gets worse, not to mention my fingers lose their ability to keep up with the tempo. When that happens, especially if I can't read the arrows, mashing is my only hope of staying alive and passing the song. And my hand-eye coordination probably isn't getting better as I get older, so that's working against me, too, and sometimes leads to more mashing.

That is understandable. I even do something like it in a few ultra dense parts, albeit unintentionally. The reason that I avoid it at all costs is because it does not improve your reading skills. I've found that the only way I can improve is to play songs at my level, and gradually increase the difficulty of the song I play, which is what you stated below. You stated you can do well on songs at the Difficult to VD range, so it would be best for you to stick to those. For me, it is up to FMO.

Age may play a factor, but I know you can go further before you hit as limit, whether it is imposed by age, your playing style, or some other external factor.

Originally Posted by Dronak

Generally when I'm playing songs, I'm trying to improve my scores along the lines of: fail to pass, pass to FC, FC to SDG, SDG to PC/AAA. Obviously to get to a PC, I can't mash. However, mashing can mean the difference between failing and passing. And I have to pass a song to see all the arrows in it before I have a chance at FCing it. The better the score I'm going for, the less mashing I can do. Sometimes it comes down to one or a few small sections that I have to mash through to FC the song. Through repeated plays, I try to cut down on the mashing. But I don't see mashing as something to avoid completely. It's not a great technique, but it has its uses. And if you can't stop mashing eventually, you'll never be able to get the best scores in the game. For anyone who wants to reach the top, that should be enough reason to stop mashing sooner or later. Me, I never expect to reach the very top, so I usually do what I need to in order to improve my scores.

Of course. Mashing may have it's uses, but you gain nothing from it in the long run. In fact, I have been able to beat every one of my mashed scores on old songs without mashing. How long this takes varies with everybody, but if you cannot pass the song without mashing, then you are obviously not ready for it. It's best to play what you can and gain skill from that, instead of playing songs that are far beyond your skill level. In time, you will find that you can destroy all the songs that you once had to mash on.

Originally Posted by Dronak

For the most part, I rarely play the songs that require a lot of mashing for me though. They're not that fun for me. I find them to be too fast most of the time, with dense arrow patterns that seem to be that way just to be difficult, because many times I can't see/hear how the arrows match the music on the hardest songs. I'm not saying they're bad stepfiles or anything -- perhaps I'm just not good enough to truly appreciate them. But since I want to have fun, I tend to play middle-difficulty songs. I can play these fairly well, but still get a challenge. Somewhere around 7-8 is where I start getting challenged, but can do OK. At 9+, things tend to get much worse. I probably used to mash lower difficulty songs, but over time I improved enough to avoid that. I even got my first difficulty 6 PC the other day, something I probably never imagined when I might have had to mash parts of them.

Exactly! Once you master the basics, you can move on to the hard songs. Soon, anything below a 9 will be laughable in difficulty. If you find songs that you find too hard to enjoy playing, then don't play them. Find the difficulty that suits you best, and stick with that until you feel you are ready to move on.

I hate playing all the easy songs, but mastering those enabled me to move on to the songs I enjoy playing.

Originally Posted by Dronak

So I guess the bottom line is that I do mash (one-handed, just like I play all the time) if I feel like I have to, but I try to avoid it, and over time I try to reduce how much I mash. But some songs still force me to do it, because I'm just not good enough to get through them without it. My scores are the best I've been able to get. OK, I mashed some of them, but that means they're still worse than people who didn't mash, so I don't think there's a real problem with that.

The only issue I personally see is that it is a score you didn't earn. Sure, some people might be worse, but that doesn't justify it as being a fair and legit score.

If you need to mash, go ahead. I'm just stating I personally disagree with it.


~Bynary Fission