Endless Dream (46 or 52)

[Guest15937]

Endless Dream does not fit in as a 46 in the slightest. It is fast (182 BPM) and contains three huge lengths of straight 16th stream at this speed. These streams are as long as the one in Chariot (a 50), and there are three of them. The total amount of 182 BPM stream is comparable to that in Rose, which is a 55 (the non-stream parts of Rose are harder than those of Endless Dream, though, which is why Endless Dream should not be brought up to Rose's level).

[EzExZeRo7497]

Thread approved.

[HalfStep]

The stream patterns in Endless Dream are really straightfoward to hit imo, no tricky stuff like runningmen. Uber Rave v2 has harder patterns and a longer streams and is a 49, at the cost of being slightly slower.

I think Uber Rave v2 (49) or AAA (51) are both harder than Endless Dream, but raising it to maybe 48 seems appropriate.

[Sweet Angel]

I'd agree with a 48 as well, I remember having to play this file in Kayla's new year tournament and at first i felt it was really hard, but after a few plays I started to get the hang of it and the patterns aren't all too tricky once you're able to distinguish them (from what I remember) However, I still don't think it fits in with the 46's because of the speed needed to play the file and pretty much agree with HalfStep, Uber Rave v2 and AAA are harder imo. So 48 sounds like a nice spot.

[Zaevod]

I wouldn't put it above 48. The only annoying parts are the trills, imo

[TheSaxRunner05]

48, this chart has a massive number of AAA's and lacks the technicality of a 50+ file.

[Wayward Vagabond]

a massive number of AAAs because it's been out for so long

[TheSaxRunner05]

And it's placement on the first page of dance 2 helps for play count. It's not terribly long or awkward (for me (spread) anyways) so I can't see it being higher than 48.

[SC_coolguy44]

I'm also in for voting this chart to be a 48 because of the stream.

[ULTIMEGA]

I'd look at it as about a 49. For one thing, you have the 12th not jump stream in there that is not that difficult, but can be rather tricky for less experienced players, or at least some of them. The streams feel like they should be at least a 45 on their own since it's 12 notes per second, or at least that, since the bpm is around 180, but the full song is not total stream, as you do have those 8th note breaks in between streams. As for the 16th note roll in the middle, which, in hindsight, is not at all that difficult, since it's a 4321 roll at, again, 180 bpm. After all the stream is done, you have the 8th notes run at the end, so, over, it should be at least a 49-51, Maybe a 50. Not hard enough to be a 52, but too difficult to be a 46, so somewhere around that region.