TWG CXLIX Infractions and general OOTC stuff

[choof]

well nah. I can't remember if rzr has done anything malicious like this in the past
so I think I'd say 3 month ban for haku, 6 month ban for rzr

[Charu]

For real, I never expected rzr to do something like this. I'm kind of disappointed he went and did something like this though.

[Charu]

And it even leaked into the game to... here:

Originally Posted by rzr

I think I know the wolf team

Originally Posted by rzr

I've called on DBP tp help me because he has a level head tho now I am not as forgiving

I AM LEAVING WORK NOW SORRY NIGHT ENDED AT FUCKIN 21:00 PM

scum is done, only the SK remains after todays lyncyh

Originally Posted by rzr

I AM NOT 100% I AM 99%

I think DBP might have slipped, I'm like 99% sure

IF HE DID SCUM IS ERADICATED, if he didn't i'll probably get my ass handed to me

Now why on earth, with rzr cheating, even make these posts too?

Such an odd case

[rzr]

I got nothing to defend just wanna make it clear Haku came to me and this is 2 games in a row where the idiot would spill his role to me I should have said something when I did but I didn't let that tainted info influence anyone else the way that moron did

Anyway guys I got bigger shit to do with my life than play this game a 9 month ban seems pretty over reactive to me but hey you guys are the ones that gotta fill rosters

Bye ffrz till ano 4th we 6 yrs

And Haku you're a stupid cunt snitch bru you fucked your own game up thanks for dragging me down with you ******

[rzr]

Will miss charu

[Xiz]

Originally Posted by rzr

And Haku you're a stupid cunt snitch bru you fucked your own game up thanks for dragging me down with you ******

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[choof]

Originally Posted by rzr

And Haku you're a stupid cunt snitch bru you fucked your own game up thanks for dragging me down with you ******

okay i'm fine with a perma-ban for this

[Hakulyte]

Yes, I enjoy fucking up my own game to get myself banned for no reason.

Who doesn't?

Seriously..

[XelNya]

Originally Posted by thesunfan

[12:07:22 PM] Haku / Eman: trust me, I know how much I ruined the game, but there's other reasons as to why I did what I did.
[12:07:29 PM | Edited 12:07:24 PM] Haku / Eman: I hope it makes the future games more fair.
[12:07:57 PM] Haku / Eman: it's also forcing the hosts to make a thread about OoT and clarifying stuff.

Gonna side bar for a moment

I kinda gotta side with Haku on this concept regardless.

Do I think he cheated knowingly? Oh yeah. Should he get punished.

Most certainly.

However, he is right and that a few things need to be changed.

And that's the TWG rule book mostly.

I mean, TWC shit is still in there for fuck's sake. It has out of date rules and such. It can be kinda confusing when some rules apply, and some don't.

See the jTWG rule for case and point. I got into a TWG game first time, with pretty much no idea what I was doing beyond bare bone mechanics, with the option to PM I think it was Xiz if I had a question about the game / the mechanics.

(Note: I'm rather fine with removing the jtwg rule, and jtwgs entirely actually. They have a purpose, but I think they should just be standard games arranged with newer users. Something like that.)

But yeah, cheating is cheating. If rzr has a history of having cheated any time before, I'm down for a perma vote from the community of twg.

If none, harsh like 5 game ban 3 replace out sort of punishment. Apply to both because if you have read the rules, you know all OOT talk is offlimits otherwise. Why the wolfchat was on SKYPE when there is a designated quick topic is a bit concerning as well?

tldr: I think this game has a bit to talk about maybe.

Kinda just free flowing thoughts here, I might change my opinion later.

[XelNya]

Originally Posted by rzr

I got nothing to defend just wanna make it clear Haku came to me and this is 2 games in a row where the idiot would spill his role to me I should have said something when I did but I didn't let that tainted info influence anyone else the way that moron did

Anyway guys I got bigger shit to do with my life than play this game a 9 month ban seems pretty over reactive to me but hey you guys are the ones that gotta fill rosters

Bye ffrz till ano 4th we 6 yrs

And Haku you're a stupid cunt snitch bru you fucked your own game up thanks for dragging me down with you ******

rzr I have a single question for you:

Did you tell anyone when it happened the first time?

[Charu]

Originally Posted by rzr

I got nothing to defend just wanna make it clear Haku came to me and this is 2 games in a row where the idiot would spill his role to me I should have said something when I did but I didn't let that tainted info influence anyone else the way that moron did

Anyway guys I got bigger shit to do with my life than play this game a 9 month ban seems pretty over reactive to me but hey you guys are the ones that gotta fill rosters

Bye ffrz till ano 4th we 6 yrs

And Haku you're a stupid cunt snitch bru you fucked your own game up thanks for dragging me down with you ******

WOOO LADS

Like whoooooooooa, calm down, caaaaaalm down.

[Gradiant]

Originally Posted by thesunfan

[12:07:22 PM] Haku / Eman: trust me, I know how much I ruined the game, but there's other reasons as to why I did what I did.
[12:07:29 PM | Edited 12:07:24 PM] Haku / Eman: I hope it makes the future games more fair.
[12:07:57 PM] Haku / Eman: it's also forcing the hosts to make a thread about OoT and clarifying stuff.

This logic is pretty wat. One of the reasons for ruining the game better not have been because it'd force hosts to talk more about a rule that has already stated that stuff like this is cheating.

[Charu]

Originally Posted by rzr

Anyway guys I got bigger shit to do with my life than play this game a 9 month ban seems pretty over reactive to me but hey you guys are the ones that gotta fill rosters

*cough* Also, I don't wanna be the person, but remembered when I asked if you were okay with playing another game with what was going on with your life?

Is that suddenly the case now? I mean...

[Hakulyte]

I honestly expected everyone to have this mentality of:

We're currently in a game, don't talk to me unless it's something unrelated and important. If you ask me anything related to the game, I'm going to post it to a mod. You've been warned.

I ended up with a ridiculous amount of OGI and worse I could team up with someone for nearly the entirety of this game.

Is it wrong? Yes.
Should I get punished? Yes.

..but I still think it was worth getting punished for.
..should I have contacted a mod/host sooner? Yes.
..why didn't I do it? Because I wanted to believe rzr would do something about himself and shit just got worse over time. I eventually hit my limit and got to thesunfan on skype.

This is another thing I did wrong on top of cheating with him. I should have just contacted the host not only sooner, but literally at the beginning of the game. I don't have excuses for that.

[Charu]

Originally Posted by rzr

I got nothing to defend just wanna make it clear Haku came to me and this is 2 games in a row where the idiot would spill his role to me

And just because no one has asked:

Can ya provide proof or logs?

[Charu]

Hey Haku, mind explaining the "2nd" game rzr is going on about?

[Hakulyte]

You mean the game where I tell everyone that I'm Vanilla Town and that I want to solve the game?

[rzr]

No the undying intention you have to come blabbing about your game dynamics

Charu I would give you guys the logs but I'm still on my phone fresh moved bro. Itz not in my business to take Haku down another notch or whatever it just bothers me he tried this last game too but I should bounce guys I don't wanna get salty on this maybe see ya in live or somethin sorry for 5th e "inconvenience"
If I check in again in the near future I'll prob just drop me pw and login for Skype I don't have time or method to do logs but I got nothin to hide

[Hakulyte]

I'd like to see the logs to know if it was me being retarded/ignorant or me not understanding concepts like fake-claiming.

If I legit said that genuine, I'd gladly take the blame.

[Hakulyte]

Originally Posted by thesunfan

What is important, and something I cannot stress enough is, if this happens, TELL THE GAME MODERATOR. Always. No exceptions. If you obtain OGI, the onus is on you, the player, to go to the moderator and explain what happened, so that they may properly address it. They may modkill you, they may replace you, they may make a player illegitimate to replace into the game. This is all bad, but continuing to play the game as if nothing happened is far worse. No one, and I mean no one, is capable of actually not letting the OGI change their gameplay.

This alone is the reason why I'm happy this thread exists. I'm pretty sure it's not the first time this situation happen. It just never really got to light until now. If you guys want to have fun games, this has to be enforced to a decent level.