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Old 08-6-2019, 07:38 AM   #61
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theres gangs in other places in the US, of predominately african-american people, where there are probably far far more killings than the amount in a school shooting, its just not brought to public attention
Homocide and Mass Shootings are entirely different categories of thing. White people do plenty of Homocide as well. But mass shootings of mostly strangers is a pretty uniquely white thing in America.

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whats better for a news article, reporting that "a bunch of bright, young students with big futures ahead of them were suddenly...", or to report "a bunch of gang members were found dead on the intersection between 12th and 18th street.. locals say that they were known for selling drugs, suspects appear to be rival gang x that wears a different color of diaper"
I'd suggest that in the current political climate they would LOVE to report on a bunch of gang violence especially by non-white people, especially anywhere even vaguely close to a border.

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as to why its always a white male, i think they just have different culture lol.. like for example, ive noticed in most cases of school shootings and whatnot, they go into a whole backstory about how the perpetrator was abused, had a horrible childhood etc
They almost never were though. Like, the Dayton shooter I believe, the news has been reporting widely that he was bullied in school. Several people who -went to school with him- have since come forward to say that not only was he not bullied, he was himself a bully with a history of threatening violence especially against women.

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yet when someone from a different race has a horrible upbringing, abuse like that, etc, most likely they wont even be going to school in the first place lol, imagine some young black boi who has no mom or dad so just hangs around on streets all day, people like that arent gonna be in school to carry out a shooting lol
'Black people don't do school shootings because black people don't go to school' is one of the most disgusting takes I've seen in a very long time. This is like, coming close to being bannable as racism, and you should seriously look inward if this is a thing you honestly feel.
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Old 08-6-2019, 07:40 AM   #62
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Just wanna point out the fact that the majority of gun deaths are actually suicides

In 2010 in the USA, 62% of gun deaths were suicide and 50% of successful suicides were committed with a firearm (https://lawcenter.giffords.org/gun-d...es-statistics/)

Personally I think that if you advocate for mental health assistance and suicide prevention, you also have to advocate for gun control or else you're a bit of a hypocrite
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Old 08-6-2019, 12:15 PM   #63
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"theres literally no way to stop this from happening" claims only country where this happens on a regular basis
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Old 08-6-2019, 12:20 PM   #64
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"theres literally no way to stop this from happening" claims only country where this happens on a regular basis
no one is saying that in this thread
people are saying that its not going to change anytime soon

if you're just quoting that one Onion article for the sake of quoting it, good for you
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Old 08-6-2019, 12:33 PM   #65
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re: dingmles

Yeah, in some sense I think the fixation on White People Crime by news media is a form of casual racism: when poor black kids commit multiple homicide, it's seen by the public/MSM as mundane; when it's a white kid, it's sensational, exceptional: after all, mass homicide isn't a White Person Thing™

One other relevant thing is that most of these mass shootings are terroristic in nature: targeting random people in public spaces to further an agenda. On the other hand, gang crime is generally more focused and insular. (Still evil obviously, but to the average White Viewer, a bunch of gang violence in shitty ol' Baltimore City is way more distant than violence in the sacred public space of Wal-Mart)

So yes, race is inextricable from the discussion of mass shootings and its reporting
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no one is saying that in this thread
people are saying that its not going to change anytime soon

if you're just quoting that one Onion article for the sake of quoting it, good for you
i never said that people are saying that in this thread in this thread
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I didn't want to say it, but this is an entirely thread worthy thing on its own.
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Yeah, in some sense I think the fixation on White People Crime by news media is a form of casual racism: when poor black kids commit multiple homicide, it's seen by the public/MSM as mundane; when it's a white kid, it's sensational, exceptional: after all, mass homicide isn't a White Person Thing™
we're all pretty aware that racism towards whites isn't possible in america unless you're saying that the fixation on white people killing other white people is racist towards minorities

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we're all pretty aware that racism towards whites isn't possible in america unless you're saying that the fixation on white people killing other white people is racist towards minorities
The casual racism is towards minorities

because when the populace see something like black shootings it's """par for the course""" and thus less of a spectacle

but when the Righteous White Man starts shooting, it's seen as abnormal, thus the media coverage

EDIT: This is apparent over the years in how it's always about mental health when it's a white shooter. This is because "white people aren't like that, so this white shooter has something wrong with him."

When it's a black person or a Muslim, it's terrorism or thuggery. There's a clear double standard.

DOUBLE EDIT: To be clear, I'm asserting that America is afraid to admit that white people have historically been "holier than thou" when it comes to violence, but engage in it just as frequently as (if not more than) other American populations.

And that realization is gonna be real fucking hard for this country in particular, given how our culture and heritage has specifically capitalized off of the systemic and systematic oppression of the "other."
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Well any shooter (regardless of race) has to have some kind of mental health problem
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Well any shooter (regardless of race) has to have some kind of mental health problem
Regardless of whether this is true or not----

Mental illness is 100% every single time a diversionary tactic. A convenient scapegoat that makes white people comfortable, because if it's just "a couple of guys with mental illness", nobody has to actually introspect and critically analyze the culture. It demands no change to the status quo.

"I'm not a part of the problem. There is nothing wrong with me. That guy just had mental illness, something that was totally out of my hands. Nothing will change for me personally."
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Well any shooter (regardless of race) has to have some kind of mental health problem
What a fundamental misunderstanding of entitlement and privilege. I mean, yes there's a tongue-in-cheek argument that somebody who thinks they are so owed things from other people that murder is an acceptable response to being denied those things is definitely sick.

But the idea that "Nobody in their right mind could do this" basically lets people off the hook by letting them hide behind an illness that doesn't exist. And lets people with financial and political interests in the status quo avoid having to acknowledge their responsibility.

Every country has mental health problems. The rest of them don't have mass killing problems.
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scapegoating mental illness for mass shootings not only avoids the rEaL iSsUes but also increases the stigma towards the mentally ill population
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do you guys really think the shooters are sane people??
come on. anyone who decides to kill a bunch of people is fucked in the head

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do you guys really think the shooters are sane people??
That depends on whether you are using a clinical, or a gross pop culture definition of "sanity/insanity"

I think they have a lot of internalized anger and should be in therapy. I think that toxic masculinity needs to be addressed at a systemic level, but no I don't think these mass shooters are "crazy" in most cases.
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Port Arthur Shooter who was mad at the world and wanted to kill a lot of people: Not insane by my non-professional opinion

Plenty more people who aren't "insane" they're just "mad at something in particular and have guns"

Surely, there are some people who are insane who commit these crimes but nah

I don't think that every person who commits these crimes is insane

definitely not perfectly mentally healthy tho
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do you guys really think the shooters are sane people??
come on. anyone who decides to kill a bunch of people is fucked in the head
Yeah no fucking shit. Brilliant tautology.

Are content to throw up your hands and say "oh well! it's mental illness" or would you rather actually face reality and find non-trivial causes and solutions?

EDIT: Mental illness doesn't make you sit down for a month and plan a massacre on Mexicans. Don't you think that... MAYBE... there are other reasons behind that?
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If you can not control your anger and it leads you to only one possible conclusion: to kill as many people as you can, then yes, your fucking crazy. and you need help.
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No I don't think you can reasonably say "this person was willing to kill other humans" and say there was absolutely nothing wrong with them
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No I don't think you can reasonably say "this person was willing to kill other humans" and say there was absolutely nothing wrong with them
no one is saying that
people are saying "insane" isn't the right word
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