Posers Listen to Fakebit Music [67 or 72]

[XelNya]

Currently it sits as a 67, which is not accurate.

This is the NPS Graph for Posers:



These are a few graphs from other 67s:

Epilogue:


Euro Morroc:


For FFR:


Kanon Medley ~Metal Wings~:


While looking at these, you might be thinking to yourself they're remarkably similar. That's sort of the point. This establishes a good reason why comparing these charts is a fair option.

Let me now inform you of the AAA count of all of these charts:

Epilogue: 113
Euro Morroc: 97
For FFR: 94
Kanon Medley ~Metal Wings~: 85

Posers: 28

This leads me to think that something isn't right here. Why does a chart that's not even synced right have more AAAs? I mean you could lump it as it's been in the game since early on, but even Caprice and Flight Of The Bumble Bee have a more or less similar AAA count to their respective difficulties. That makes them viable comparisons, it also makes them slightly better comparisons, having been in the game for such a long period of time.

Simply put: It's wrongly placed.

Want more proof? A song that is is much longer, and nerve wracking, Mega Man 9 Rock Medley, clocking with a daunting 7:26, only has 7 less AAAs. Guess what? It is also rated higher, rated at a 72. More than likely for the sheer length of it though, which is why this is a good comparison.

Now, you might be thinking the chart structure is too simple to make it any harder than a 68, being charts such as Mega Man 9 Medley, Kanon Medley and even Epilogue have more difficult structure, and they are the same difficulty. To that I agree, which is why pushing it too far beyond would be overkill.

Now where would I place it you may ask?

At maximum, I would say 72 is the upper limit. It is not as hard as any 73 to score on. The chart structure is too simple. The stats say otherwise, being that songs such as Buzzards, Jack The Ripper and even Jasmine (Camel Rape Mix) still have higher AAA counts, yet I wouldn't say it is actually more difficult than these. In fact, placing it as a 73 feels a like complete overkill to me.

I would recommend us placing it at 70-72, with 72 being the absolute maximum.

Why? Statistics aren't everything, and the structure of the chart is rather simple. The 32nds can actually be semi-cheated if you hit them properly, and the densest parts are a simple question of control. However that having been said, this chart is deceptively difficult to score on, both in terms of combo and attempting to AAA. If you lose any control at all, prepare to dump goods at an insane rate.

If I had to personally rate it myself, I'd go the middle ground of my indicated range, and go with 71, but I wouldn't object to heavily to a 70 rating.

[EzExZeRo7497]

Approved, changed your thread title to the usual format. I'll give my thoughts later, but although I do agree that this file is probably misrated, I don't really think it should be a 70+ by any means.

[EzExZeRo7497]

Actually, I might as well give my thoughts now:
Posers Listen to Fakebit Music is actually pretty difficult to rate to begin with because its difficulty doesn't mainly come from the file structure, but also because of the fact that there isn't any chord cohesion on FFR to begin with.

The first half of the file's main difficulty comes from the 32nd bursts. They're split rolls, nothing too much to worry about. There are harder bursts in files that are in the 62 range (What Lies Beyond The Mountains, Snow).

The second half is definitely the hardest part of the file, but it's really difficult to rate because of the fact that it demands more control than actual speed. The jumpstream is nowhere as fast as say, Euromorroc or Epilogue, which is also the same difficulty, but they can't really be compared because they test two different skillsets to begin with.

Personally, I don't think that the AAA count can be compared because although they are the same difficulty, none of the files in the 67 range (with the exception of For FFR) tests control for the most part. Though, For FFR tests more on how controlled your rolling is compared to Posers Listen To Fakebit Music which has very rigid transitions to begin with (additionally, higher-end players would also rush this very easily because of the speed), so they can't really be compared all that much as well.

I would actually say that Posers is actually easier to score on compared to the other 67s mainly because it doesn't require as much speed (which usually most players at the higher end would have), it only requires more control (most players ranging from D2-D7 would have this, the differences between their control are not as significant as speed) than the other 67s. Although I do agree that it is by far the hardest to AAA in the 67 range, I don't think the difficulty to AAA should be that significant of a factor to begin with.

Compared to a file like Scythe of 13, which personally I think is one of those files which require a lot of control, it's much longer than Posers and the player is also very prone to splitting due to the patterning, far more prone to losing control than Posers, so I don't think it should be above 69, let alone 72.

I don't mind seeing this as a 68 or 69, nothing higher though. The file is quite simple to score on compared to other 67s, but the AAA difficulty definitely bumps it up a notch or more.

[TC_Halogen]

This file does require some slight control in the bursts, as many of them have patterns that repeat past the end of their rolls -- however, the difficulty issue lies in the second half, when the BPM doubles. You have some pretty forceful jumpstream patterns that actually require you to do split-handed jump sandwiches at a respectable speed (I think it's 180? 16ths). In addition to that, the doubled BPM could be arguably harder to read for some people, too.

Outside of these areas, the chart is probably somewhere in the low/mid-60s, because the bursts are overall smooth despite the tricky transition points. If we were to cut the BPM in half and view the chart as it might conventionally appear, the chart would appear to have a pretty high density in that mid-section BPM doubling, since it would equate to jumps every 8th note interchanging with 16th split-handed jump sandwiches.

I would advocate a rating of 69 for this file, personally.

[TheSaxRunner05]

I'd say 69, those 1,3 2,4 combinations are the hardest part (I find them harder to PA than 1,4 2,3 alternations, even though they both involve essentially one hand trilling).

But yea the chart isn't that fast just very technical, the AAA count does lead me to believe it should be higher than a 67.

So 69 sounds reasonable to me. As it always does *wink*

[One Winged Angel]

I had a feeling this was probably underrated when I took a look at the scoreboard a few weeks after release.

69/70 sounds acceptable given how difficult it is to hit perfectly. Agreed with Eze that Posers is arguably more playable/easier to score on given what's being tested in the file compared to other speedier 67s, but closing the AAA is much more difficult.

[DossarLX ODI]

The speedup jump sandwiches that Halogen mentioned are gross for AAAing -- it isn't so much fast as much as just very awkward. In stepmania they aren't as much of a problem, but the sudden changes from [13][13] to [12][12] in the middle of the 8ths are just begging to be hit as triplet bursts instead of the actual jumps.

[popsicle_3000]

Originally Posted by DossarLX ODI

In stepmania they aren't as much of a problem

why's that?

and yeah, i've always found this file the hardest 67. doubling the bpm just makes it very hard to read! watching the file again now i dont get why it was done, but that's neither here nor there

13-24 is the hardest of the whatever they are called...
69 i'd like to see. maybe 70

[DossarLX ODI]

In the context of stepmania, splitting issues aren't as noticeable and aren't as problematic because of chord cohesion. If you're hitting a jump as a fast gallop, you can still get a marvelous etc. In FFR you can get a good on a jump that would probably have been a perfect or even a marvelous on stepmania since the jump would only register after the last note was hit.

[EzExZeRo7497]

Bumped to 69. If anyone disagrees, post your thoughts in the next 2 days. If not, discussion's closed.