I'm out of mana. - Page 2

lord_carbo · 12-3-2006, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Moogy

All American games look the same.

All Japanese RPGs that follow the same FF-esque battle system look and play the same, especially seeing as they all use washed-out unstylish Anime graphics.

tsugomaru · 12-3-2006, 08:23 PM

Unfortunately, all people who say Blizzard sucks are just saying how very, very stupid they are.

Their games are truly great. They aren't the best, but they are good.

~Tsugomaru

church_pk · 12-3-2006, 11:55 PM

D2 LOD was so fun, and when I say fun I mean I was addicted for 3 years.

**darkshark** · 12-4-2006, 06:54 AM

Sorry but Moogy is right, WoW, along with most other american made games do have alot of the same....well...everything, each genre contains hundreds of games, but all of which are basically the same

ZOMG HALO IS SO ASM IT R TEH BESTEST EVAR!!!

really whats it like?

YOU GO AROUND WITH GUNS N STUFFS AND SHOOOT PEEPUL

really? just like unreal tournament...and rainbow six....and soldier of fortune...and counter strike...and wolfenstein...and medal of honor...and quake...and doom...and half life?

NO ITS WAY DIFRENT

-_- kay

**Specforces** · 12-4-2006, 07:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darkshark

Sorry but Moogy is right, WoW, along with most other american made games do have alot of the same....well...everything, each genre contains hundreds of games, but all of which are basically the same

ZOMG HALO IS SO ASM IT R TEH BESTEST EVAR!!!

really whats it like?

YOU GO AROUND WITH GUNS N STUFFS AND SHOOOT PEEPUL

really? just like unreal tournament...and rainbow six....and soldier of fortune...and counter strike...and wolfenstein...and medal of honor...and quake...and doom...and half life?

NO ITS WAY DIFRENT

-_- kay

Ignorant statement. The physics and mechanics in the game "Halo 2" are quite different from each of the games you mentioned. In fact, each of those games have unique elements to make them appealing or revolutionary. I mean, you picked Wolfenstein and Quake and Doom, three of the first FPSs created. Of course, THOSE will be very similar. But to sit here and try to tell me that Halo 2 is the same game with the same mechanics, slightly tweaked, is complete insanity. Hell, the differences in Halo 1 and 2 were astounding. The game itself requires a lot of strategy and reflex play to fully excel in.

So please, don't ever do that again.

There are plenty of staff here that would agree with me fully, just ask:

Lightdarkness
87x
Synthlight
CyanoticXtc

Just ask anyone that's ever played Halo 2 on a regular basis.

Spec out

Omeganitros · 12-4-2006, 07:51 AM

There comes a point in every gamer's life when he just becomes compeltely burnt out on FPS games. But they are not all the same.

My little brother is a huge fan of Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory, and I am too, because it involves a LOT of teamwork and toasting thin with a flamethrower >=D.
I myself am a HUGE fan of Natural Selection. You have no idea how awesome Natural Selection is. It's like...REALLY intelligent.

**Specforces** · 12-4-2006, 08:34 AM

Gears of War, for example: truly amazing FPS with excellent strategy, graphics, AI, innovation, realism.

tsugomaru · 12-4-2006, 08:50 AM

So are we to say that every single Japanese game has its own genre and its own gameplay style? The chances are, that there will be many games for a single genre like the US, but the gameplay style will always be different.

Just like in America.

~Tsugomaru

sjoecool1991 · 12-4-2006, 10:10 AM

I never really like FPS games, im more into puzzle/thinking games and fantasy adventure like Legend Of Zelda.

Grandiagod · 12-4-2006, 11:00 AM

Every game in the same genre is similiar due to the fact that it is in the SAME GENRE. However, if all the games were the same then either they all would suck or all would be awesome. This is not the case, developers can tweak different things about each game and either make it a great game or a ****ty one, just by getting the details correct.

evilbutterfly · 12-4-2006, 11:17 AM

Usually when people resort to saying the people they're describing TALK LYK DIS N STUF means they don't have much of a basis for argument. =\

Really, any game in any genre is going to be similar to other games of the same genre. Same way any two games of football are going to be similar or two fights (even if with different rules) are going to be similar. You could dumb down FPS games and say it's just about shooting, you could dumb down RTS games and say it's just moving units around, and you could dumb down RPGs and say they're just leveling and clicking attack over and over. Just because you don't like the genre and the similarities between the games doesn't mean the games are all clones of each other. It just means you don't like the genre.

And to say that Japan makes better games than Americans, no matter what, is really ****ing ignorant. You guys obviously just like RPGs, and Japan likes to pump out some RPGs like crazy. There are some things Japan does a lot more of and is therefore better at, and the same goes for the US. For example, I don't think any US-made shmup has been anywhere as good as all the Japanese-made ones. This is probably because I can't think of more than one US-made shmup, and it's old as crap and really exploitable.

But seriously, every FPS game can be very different. The reason I like the FPS games I do is because I like more complicated, team-oriented shooters. Things like the Battlefield series (where you have to capture points and work as a team) or Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory (where you have specific objectives to do with your team) or especially Natural Selection (it's a FPS+RTS blend, it's awesome) are cool because it's not just about how good you are at shooting, but how well you and your team work together. But it's not annoyingly focused on one person like the Capture the Flag modes from Unreal Tournament and Halo. Then there are things like Counter-Strike and Medal of Honor, where it's just a freaking deathmatch whether there are objectives or not. I hate that, especially round-based things because I hate dying and not respawning (I play games to play them, not to sit and watch others while I'm dead).

All I'm saying is, every game has unique features and things you may or may not like. And even if they were extremely similar, most all of them use different engines and gun systems. Like, I hate CounterStrike's gun system, because the guns are RETARDEDLY UNREALISTICALLY INNACCURATE after the first shot. I liked the old Medal of Honor recoil system, cuz you could correct for it and be accurate constantly if you were good. Most of all, I like games where you look down the barrel of your gun (Call of Duty and BF2 especially). Little things about the game can make it play completely different. There are many layers of differences between FPS games, and if you can't see them then you've gotta be retarded or something. =\

**Squeek** · 12-4-2006, 11:43 AM

Hahaha EB.

Americans can't make video games.

What the crap are you on.

You're telling Moogy and Co. not to stereotype, then you do it yourself.

Quote:

You guys obviously just like RPGs

Sure, I like me some RPGs, but in my Gamecube library I have a total of three. This is fewer than 10% of my entire library.

I cannot believe you think for a minute that American-made games can compete with Japanese-made games. There's not even a contest.

That's like saying soap operas can compete with anime. There's just no way.

Ok, I'm not like Moogy and I won't out and say everything from America sucks. I'm just saying the vast majority of non-Japanese titles are terrible, whereas the vast majority of Japanese titles are great.

Looking through my Gamecube library of 41 games, eight of them are probably American (EA, Activision, etc) and four of those titles suck. The rest were made in Japan and they're all good.

Tokzic · 12-4-2006, 11:50 AM

I don't think the American market makes few good games so much as an unforgivable amount of bad games.

But yeah just because you're an RPG fanatic doesn't mean that American games suck. Actually, in general, the best American RPGs beat the best Japanese RPGs.

sjoecool1991 · 12-4-2006, 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tokzic

I don't think the American market makes few good games so much as an unforgivable amount of bad games.

But yeah just because you're an RPG fanatic doesn't mean that American games suck. Actually, in general, the best American RPGs beat the best Japanese RPGs.

Agreed.
Fable is fun but way too short.
Halo is pretty good.

Halo 2 sucks.

Pumble · 12-4-2006, 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moogy

generic moogy

Quote:

Originally Posted by ffr

WHAT DID HE JUST SAY LET'S MAKE LONG POSTS

ps i like games from nearly every genre

some games are good

some games are bad

omg

**Specforces** · 12-4-2006, 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sjoecool1991

Halo 2 sucks.

Halo 2's single player campaign mode sucks balls. But the multiplayer, coupled with the power of Xbox live, is amazingly addictive and fun.

Tokzic · 12-4-2006, 03:26 PM

i meant to ps in that last post

moogy probably intended to make everyone start whining rofl

FluorescentArmy · 12-4-2006, 03:31 PM

Japan sucks.

sjoecool1991 · 12-4-2006, 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Specforces

Halo 2's single player campaign mode sucks balls. But the multiplayer, coupled with the power of Xbox live, is amazingly addictive and fun.

Yup, the missions in Halo 1 are amazing and really fun and hard. But the multiplayer isnt that great.

And Halo 2 is too easy, and it is also too easy to use glitches to your advantage, such as superjumps.

MalReynolds · 12-4-2006, 05:20 PM

What the hell is a "Halo 2"?

12-3-2006, 08:23 PM	#22
tsugomaru FFR Player Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: The stars come to my aid. Posts: 3,962	Re: I'm out of mana. Unfortunately, all people who say Blizzard sucks are just saying how very, very stupid they are. Their games are truly great. They aren't the best, but they are good. ~Tsugomaru

12-3-2006, 11:55 PM	#23
church_pk FFR Player Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Yes. Ontario, Canada Age: 35 Posts: 2,575	Re: I'm out of mana. D2 LOD was so fun, and when I say fun I mean I was addicted for 3 years. __________________ Spread C711 Metal ZX./

12-4-2006, 06:54 AM	#24
darkshark Nothing. Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: The Pacific Ocean Posts: 4,189	Re: I'm out of mana. Sorry but Moogy is right, WoW, along with most other american made games do have alot of the same....well...everything, each genre contains hundreds of games, but all of which are basically the same ZOMG HALO IS SO ASM IT R TEH BESTEST EVAR!!! really whats it like? YOU GO AROUND WITH GUNS N STUFFS AND SHOOOT PEEPUL really? just like unreal tournament...and rainbow six....and soldier of fortune...and counter strike...and wolfenstein...and medal of honor...and quake...and doom...and half life? NO ITS WAY DIFRENT -_- kay

12-4-2006, 07:51 AM	#26
Omeganitros auauauau Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Hee-Haw! Age: 35 Posts: 8,897	Re: I'm out of mana. There comes a point in every gamer's life when he just becomes compeltely burnt out on FPS games. But they are not all the same. My little brother is a huge fan of Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory, and I am too, because it involves a LOT of teamwork and toasting thin with a flamethrower >=D. I myself am a HUGE fan of Natural Selection. You have no idea how awesome Natural Selection is. It's like...REALLY intelligent.

12-4-2006, 08:34 AM	#27
Specforces Yes Join Date: Jan 2004 Age: 37 Posts: 5,028	Re: I'm out of mana. Gears of War, for example: truly amazing FPS with excellent strategy, graphics, AI, innovation, realism. __________________ Check Out My Music

12-4-2006, 08:50 AM	#28
tsugomaru FFR Player Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: The stars come to my aid. Posts: 3,962	Re: I'm out of mana. So are we to say that every single Japanese game has its own genre and its own gameplay style? The chances are, that there will be many games for a single genre like the US, but the gameplay style will always be different. Just like in America. ~Tsugomaru

12-4-2006, 10:10 AM	#29
sjoecool1991 FFR Player Join Date: Mar 2006 Age: 33 Posts: 2,302	Re: I'm out of mana. I never really like FPS games, im more into puzzle/thinking games and fantasy adventure like Legend Of Zelda.

12-4-2006, 11:00 AM	#30
Grandiagod FFR Player Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Feaefaw Age: 35 Posts: 6,122	Re: I'm out of mana. Every game in the same genre is similiar due to the fact that it is in the SAME GENRE. However, if all the games were the same then either they all would suck or all would be awesome. This is not the case, developers can tweak different things about each game and either make it a great game or a ****ty one, just by getting the details correct.

12-4-2006, 11:17 AM	#31
evilbutterfly FFR Player Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Small town, TN Age: 37 Posts: 5,784	Re: I'm out of mana. Usually when people resort to saying the people they're describing TALK LYK DIS N STUF means they don't have much of a basis for argument. =\ Really, any game in any genre is going to be similar to other games of the same genre. Same way any two games of football are going to be similar or two fights (even if with different rules) are going to be similar. You could dumb down FPS games and say it's just about shooting, you could dumb down RTS games and say it's just moving units around, and you could dumb down RPGs and say they're just leveling and clicking attack over and over. Just because you don't like the genre and the similarities between the games doesn't mean the games are all clones of each other. It just means you don't like the genre. And to say that Japan makes better games than Americans, no matter what, is really ****ing ignorant. You guys obviously just like RPGs, and Japan likes to pump out some RPGs like crazy. There are some things Japan does a lot more of and is therefore better at, and the same goes for the US. For example, I don't think any US-made shmup has been anywhere as good as all the Japanese-made ones. This is probably because I can't think of more than one US-made shmup, and it's old as crap and really exploitable. But seriously, every FPS game can be very different. The reason I like the FPS games I do is because I like more complicated, team-oriented shooters. Things like the Battlefield series (where you have to capture points and work as a team) or Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory (where you have specific objectives to do with your team) or especially Natural Selection (it's a FPS+RTS blend, it's awesome) are cool because it's not just about how good you are at shooting, but how well you and your team work together. But it's not annoyingly focused on one person like the Capture the Flag modes from Unreal Tournament and Halo. Then there are things like Counter-Strike and Medal of Honor, where it's just a freaking deathmatch whether there are objectives or not. I hate that, especially round-based things because I hate dying and not respawning (I play games to play them, not to sit and watch others while I'm dead). All I'm saying is, every game has unique features and things you may or may not like. And even if they were extremely similar, most all of them use different engines and gun systems. Like, I hate CounterStrike's gun system, because the guns are RETARDEDLY UNREALISTICALLY INNACCURATE after the first shot. I liked the old Medal of Honor recoil system, cuz you could correct for it and be accurate constantly if you were good. Most of all, I like games where you look down the barrel of your gun (Call of Duty and BF2 especially). Little things about the game can make it play completely different. There are many layers of differences between FPS games, and if you can't see them then you've gotta be retarded or something. =\ __________________ So I've gone completely slack-ass and haven't done any work on creating games. =( In less-depressing news, I got a job for an online business (which sells non-electronic games, of all things!) which has taught me a lot about marketing online and all that jazz. So now I'm on Twitter @NoahWright. And I write the blog for their website. Plus I do cool programming in-house that you'll never see. =O

12-4-2006, 11:50 AM	#33
Tokzic FFR Player Join Date: May 2005 Location: TGB Age: 34 Posts: 6,878	Re: I'm out of mana. I don't think the American market makes few good games so much as an unforgivable amount of bad games. But yeah just because you're an RPG fanatic doesn't mean that American games suck. Actually, in general, the best American RPGs beat the best Japanese RPGs. __________________ ~very popular guitar streamer~ Last edited by Tokzic: Today at 11:59 PM. Reason: wait what

12-4-2006, 03:26 PM	#37
Tokzic FFR Player Join Date: May 2005 Location: TGB Age: 34 Posts: 6,878	Re: I'm out of mana. i meant to ps in that last post moogy probably intended to make everyone start whining rofl __________________ ~very popular guitar streamer~ Last edited by Tokzic: Today at 11:59 PM. Reason: wait what

12-4-2006, 03:31 PM	#38
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