Ingame Song Information - Page 13

**Shashakiro** · 11-14-2006, 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by windsurfer-sp

No plz dont group songs by diffculty even if the advanced chardish scale is used. Song genres are good way to sort the songs.

In 3rd Style, songs WILL be sorted by difficulty, not genre...that's already been decided.

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I think that the way to combat the problem of to many songs in dance is the ability to self-sort the songs eg. artist, diffculty, song name, date added etc....

Not happening, too much work.

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I was thinking of asking Tass if he would think about sorting out the songs some time into some logical order.

They're already basically sorted by difficulty within the genres...and they're staying that way, except to accomodate new songs.

**Nyokou** · 11-14-2006, 06:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Shashakiro

In 3rd Style, songs WILL be sorted by difficulty, not genre...that's already been decided.

There's going to be a 3rd style? I thought it was all a myth.

Surrender my graphics you scumbags!

Ziin · 11-14-2006, 04:24 PM

If it were up to me, there would be no decimals. Integers all the way. Just subtract 1 from everything on the Chardish scale and multiply it by 2. 11 grade scale from 0 to 10.

It would be somewhat difficult to switch to a % scale, but you could probably have a set of standards on what makes a song hard. Ie... Jacks, Length, Total Arrows, offbeat (maybe? it might not be wise to include this and just assume all songs are on beat), arrow difficulty. You could make it so that each group was weighted differently. That would take away from the difficulty of saying "oh this one should be a little bit harder than that one".

Of course, that's too hard, and will never happen.

Also: the difficulties don't have to be linear. A 49 second song is not much different from a 2 minute song, but once you pass 2 minutes, you can tell. On Max Forever and Pants, it's definitely noticeable, and should have nearly all points of the length or endurance portion.

**jimerax** · 11-19-2006, 09:18 AM

Of course ALL factors are considered for the difficulty, even though they aren't total objective.
Advenced Chardish scale is from 1.0 to 6.0, as integer from 2 to 12, which is totally compatible with ingame difficulty.

Added more info, 99 grade rating is still beta.

**jimerax** · 11-20-2006, 08:51 AM

added Norgers to 3.

**Shashakiro** · 11-20-2006, 12:36 PM

I'd call it low 3.5 for the jacks.

**jimerax** · 11-21-2006, 03:23 AM

yea it could be 3.5, need more opinion I guess.

**Tasselfoot** · 11-21-2006, 07:17 AM

I'd put it in the 41-43/44 range. the jacks plus the jump endings to the bursts. i always have a hard time PAing that kind of a sequence.

**igotrhythm** · 11-21-2006, 11:59 AM

The minijacks remind me unfavorably of 100 Bar Blackout in regards to how surprisingly difficult it is to combo them regularly (at least for me). I'd agree with Shash at the 3.5 rating because the jumps might throw off some of the less experienced players.

**jimerax** · 11-21-2006, 05:08 PM

fixed it to 3.5/41.

**jimerax** · 11-23-2006, 03:28 AM

KYA is def 5 and set it at 70, around Klung.

**Doug31** · 11-24-2006, 11:50 PM

I just noticed you left the s off of song for the nihonjins.

**jimerax** · 11-25-2006, 12:22 AM

k fixed.

TN_Sasuke · 11-26-2006, 07:23 PM

got your genres switched? i think its the other way around. but i dont know. im 87% rEtArDeD

**iggymatrixcounter** · 11-26-2006, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by TN_Sasuke

got your genres switched? i think its the other way around. but i dont know. im 87% rEtArDeD

nah it's in secret.

**Shashakiro** · 11-27-2006, 12:47 AM

BPM on TGWP is 25-190, if I'm not mistaken.

And as for difficulty...meh, really hard to judge since FFR hasn't had a file like this before. I honestly have no idea, although I'd probably say something like REALLY high 5 or so.

**Jammer325** · 11-27-2006, 12:58 AM

I'd say between for FFR and end night, although that may change after several more plays.

**Shashakiro** · 11-27-2006, 01:10 AM

Also, max score is 1 good.

**jimerax** · 11-27-2006, 04:47 AM

TGWP is a kind of similar type of steps to Libertine/Evil Approaches/GGC.

Yea I think it's around End Night. a little tricky and pretty hard to AAA(MAX) but overall easier than For FFR/JRB/Nova.

**Tasselfoot** · 11-27-2006, 08:35 AM

also, only 6 FCs after 10 hours. definately high 5s

11-14-2006, 04:24 PM	#243
Ziin FFR Player Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 36	Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2 If it were up to me, there would be no decimals. Integers all the way. Just subtract 1 from everything on the Chardish scale and multiply it by 2. 11 grade scale from 0 to 10. It would be somewhat difficult to switch to a % scale, but you could probably have a set of standards on what makes a song hard. Ie... Jacks, Length, Total Arrows, offbeat (maybe? it might not be wise to include this and just assume all songs are on beat), arrow difficulty. You could make it so that each group was weighted differently. That would take away from the difficulty of saying "oh this one should be a little bit harder than that one". Of course, that's too hard, and will never happen. Also: the difficulties don't have to be linear. A 49 second song is not much different from a 2 minute song, but once you pass 2 minutes, you can tell. On Max Forever and Pants, it's definitely noticeable, and should have nearly all points of the length or endurance portion. Last edited by Ziin; 11-14-2006 at 04:29 PM..

11-19-2006, 09:18 AM	#244
jimerax ★_★★^★★ Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Tokyo Posts: 8,185	Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2 Of course ALL factors are considered for the difficulty, even though they aren't total objective. Advenced Chardish scale is from 1.0 to 6.0, as integer from 2 to 12, which is totally compatible with ingame difficulty. Added more info, 99 grade rating is still beta.

11-20-2006, 08:51 AM	#245
jimerax ★_★★^★★ Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Tokyo Posts: 8,185	Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2 added Norgers to 3.

11-21-2006, 03:23 AM	#247
jimerax ★_★★^★★ Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Tokyo Posts: 8,185	Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2 yea it could be 3.5, need more opinion I guess.

11-21-2006, 07:17 AM	#248
Tasselfoot Retired BOSS Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Widget Heaven Age: 40 Posts: 25,184	Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2 I'd put it in the 41-43/44 range. the jacks plus the jump endings to the bursts. i always have a hard time PAing that kind of a sequence. __________________ RIP

11-21-2006, 11:59 AM	#249
igotrhythm Fractals! Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Meesheegan Age: 38 Posts: 6,534	Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2 The minijacks remind me unfavorably of 100 Bar Blackout in regards to how surprisingly difficult it is to combo them regularly (at least for me). I'd agree with Shash at the 3.5 rating because the jumps might throw off some of the less experienced players.

11-21-2006, 05:08 PM	#250
jimerax ★_★★^★★ Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Tokyo Posts: 8,185	Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2 fixed it to 3.5/41.

11-23-2006, 03:28 AM	#251
jimerax ★_★★^★★ Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Tokyo Posts: 8,185	Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2 KYA is def 5 and set it at 70, around Klung.

11-24-2006, 11:50 PM	#252
Doug31 Falcon Paaaauuuunch!!!!!! Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Washington Age: 36 Posts: 6,811	Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2 I just noticed you left the s off of song for the nihonjins. __________________

11-25-2006, 12:22 AM	#253
jimerax ★_★★^★★ Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Tokyo Posts: 8,185	Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2 k fixed.

11-26-2006, 07:23 PM	#254
TN_Sasuke Banned Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 132	Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2 got your genres switched? i think its the other way around. but i dont know. im 87% rEtArDeD

11-27-2006, 12:58 AM	#257
Jammer325 FFR Veteran Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Edmonton, AB Age: 35 Posts: 632	Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2 I'd say between for FFR and end night, although that may change after several more plays. __________________

11-27-2006, 04:47 AM	#259
jimerax ★_★★^★★ Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Tokyo Posts: 8,185	Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2 TGWP is a kind of similar type of steps to Libertine/Evil Approaches/GGC. Yea I think it's around End Night. a little tricky and pretty hard to AAA(MAX) but overall easier than For FFR/JRB/Nova.

11-27-2006, 08:35 AM	#260
Tasselfoot Retired BOSS Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Widget Heaven Age: 40 Posts: 25,184	Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2 also, only 6 FCs after 10 hours. definately high 5s __________________ RIP Last edited by Tasselfoot; 11-27-2006 at 08:37 AM..

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