TWG CLXXIV - Sounds Like You've got a Problem. - Game Thread

[Charu]

In the night...

STAR-CROSSED who was just a 1-SHOT VIGILANTE was murdered with BBQ pizza, HOW AWFUL!

IT IS NOW DAY 2

Phase ends on SATURDAY,
12/16/17 at 10PM SERVER TIME

You may now post!

[roundbox]

fuck

[inDheart]

where did that shot go though

that's kinda unfortunate

[Gradiant]

Originally Posted by inDheart

where did that shot go though

what?

[MixMasterLar]

So we did have a vigi, meaning that we probably have someone protecting Gradiant which in turn means we get to keep IC around. I guess this isn't as bad as mislynching twice would imply.

My reads are garbage though and I need to reset them and go over yesterday's posts again.

[MixMasterLar]

Originally Posted by TWGma

HOT READS INC.:
Wolf team is sunfan, star-crossed, and inD.

Ok so obviously Star wasn't a wolf but Trevor my boy my man my brother you wanna like expand on the other two now that one's been solved?

[MixMasterLar]

Originally Posted by roundbox

I guess I should rephrase the word "nowhere", but I'm going to be a turbo fucking nerd and invoke a video game character and their views on lies and truth:

"There's only one truth, but endless possibilities for lies, y'know?"

all of these people weaving narratives for what could have happened just feel like they're having a hard influence on who to vote. I would wager one of the people speculating might actually have a devious purpose to it. among those are t-force, reuben, and MML. yours sounds the fishiest, t-forces sounds like a natural reaction, and MMLs seems a bit dumbfounded so if I really wanted to drive this point home, I'd say it's one of you or MML

I feel really different this game about my analytical style and I think it has to do with me recently playing DRV3 and watching a bunch of logic and argument videos on youtube

Looking it up the whole quote seem to be
"Why do you guys hate lies so much? There's only one truth, but endless possibilities for lies, y'know? And some of them are only white lies, or lies to be kind to people... If you deny all of that *just* because it's a lie... Then that means you guys are just terrible at being lied to! Seriously, the worst!"

Huh.

[MixMasterLar]

Originally Posted by TWGma

Which is probably a stretch, but I'm wondering why sunfan came to that conclusion when commonly, TWG games don't have wolfchat during days.

This is still probably a good point. I should probably ISO SunFan and try to get a sense what all he has contributed to the game so far and how committed he seemed.

That'll be later tonight/in the morning though.

[MixMasterLar]

Originally Posted by the sun fan

not being present at an EOD is not a reason that someone should be immune to the lynch

Actually looking back it's amazing that after I apologize for the harshness I had SunFan makes this post; greatly downplaying my accusation that people waited until I couldn't defend myself to start making cases (and not that I ever thought absence should make you immune to being lynched)

Not sure if I expected this of him, you'd think he'd either say "You have to be careful with your attitude" or defend himself for making that observation. He digs his heels in a little deep here is what I'm saying

[MixMasterLar]

Originally Posted by reuben_tate

\o/


Here they are. They're not the most spectacular:

t-force defending via post counts..hmm

W&B felt WV was scummy, feels like he hasn't done much (262)

MML: "I, too, use language that that implies I do things as both roles when I get caught as wolf." Voted for FG because of low activity as well.

mellon: talking about manti being inactive, wouldn't let pass if it were someone other than manti (293)

mellon: being spooked about roundbox for not in a solving mindset (294). TSF likes this (356)

rb: "I agree with fg's evaluation of mml's calling out of gradiant
it comes as a more town mindset to call out the IC to do work
mml is just a dick about it for no reason" (315)

WV: whole thing around funny sonuds fishy (321)
-what "thing" in particular?

inDheart: "seems like the wine wagon is mostly about his votes which is a shame because i don't hate his posts actually" (327)
-mindmeld, wnb's posts seem almost towny in content

MML: didn't want WnB to die (330)

rb: "one last thing I'll say about mml since he's not on the table for me today
he's kept a consistently angry tone against more than one player which makes him an isolationist instead of tunneling against people and being overly nice to others" (340)

TSF: thinks MML calling out the IC isn't indicative (362)

rb: "raeko is also pretty similar in terms of game-focused posts
I just got done wolfing with her so I feel like I'm in tune with her wolf logic
haven't seen anything going town/wolf this game as of right now, I'll say her not placing a vote here is NOT ALIGNMENT INDICATIVE" (396)

MML: thinks there is vigi (444)
-haven't thought about this possibility too much yet...

gradiant thinks inD saying the night results were supposed to make mml look bad is scummy. says it'd be better to keep fg alive in hopes that mml would continue going after her.

TSF: thinks it's a bad idea to speculate what happened in night phase (455)

WnB: gave same good reasons why the kill happened (460)

TSF: thought raeko's entrance post was weird (voted) (468)

MML: saying it's mechanically sound to kill the IC (475)

T-force: thinking wolves might have incorrectly blue-read (498)
-had same idea about incorrect blue read here

Star-crossed: post 489 interaction between wv and I

TSF told WnB that he thinks wolves are likely to be non-voting (526)

tsf: saying I'm in his town, but maybe I shouldn't be (536)

star-crossed: long post (538) and long post 2 (541)
-need to read later

tsf: agreeing with star-cross, switching vote to inD to match star-crossed's vote
-feels weird

ind: defense against star-cross (549)

star-cross: talking about how she likes wnb (551)

inD: talking about MML's post about fucking up if we're voting for WV or WNB and also about how he was upset with the thing about funny not being about xel (554)

MML: getting upset and people quickly agreeing with star, especially sunfan (562 and 565)

=====
Night 1:
fg dies...IC still alive. Why?
1) wolves think fg is blue?
2) wolves think mml can't convince town to vote for fg in d1?
3) wolves aren't threatened by IC?
-If wolves were threatened by IC...IC best kill?

Candidates that could be conceivably threated by IC:
-me: don't think that was an actual serious vote? inconclusive
-mml: a serious vote, likely town
-manti: policy vote, inconclusive
-wine: some "pressuring", not much, possibly town?

So I think wolves wouldn't be likely to keep notes like these (I mean, I'm sure it has happened before but I'd wager not likely) and that makes me feel a little better about Ben

One thing that gets me tho that I wanna ask

MML: thinks there is vigi (444)
-haven't thought about this possibility too much yet...

You make a note here that is in past tense and honestly seems out of place to keep. Did you add that second line when posting these notes for our benefit? If so, why did you chose only that one to expand?

[MixMasterLar]

Originally Posted by Charu

blindreper1179
X.X.X.X.X

Wineandbread
X

T-Force
X

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inDheart --> T-Force (POST)
blindreper1179 --> Wineandbread (POST)
the sun fan --> blindreper1179 (POST)
the sun fan --> mellonxcollie (POST)
Gradiant --> blindreper1179 (POST)
the sun fan --> mellonxcollie (POST)
star-crossed --> inDheart (POST)
the sun fan --> inDheart (POST)
star-crossed --> roundbox (POST)
star-crossed --> inDheart (POST)
MixMasterLar --> blindreper1179 (POST)
inDheart --> rueben_tate (POST)
Wineandbread --> rueben_tate (POST)
roundbox --> blindreper1179 (POST)
the sun fan --> blindreper1179 (POST)
star-crossed --> rueben_tate (POST)
Wineandbread --> blindreper1179 (POST)
star-crossed --> UNVOTE (POST)
inDheart --> T-Force (POST)

---

Players who have UNVOTED

star-crossed

---

Players who haven't voted Day 1

mellonxcollie
T-Force
reuben_tate

Wayward Vagabond
X.X

Wineandbread
X.X

DarkManticoreX2
X

Funnygurl555
X

T-Force
X

blindreper1179
X

---

inDheart --> Gradiant (POST)
Gradiant --> reuben_tate (POST)
Wayward Vagabond --> blindreper1179 (POST)
blindreper1179 --> Wayward Vagabond (POST)
blindreper1179 --> UNVOTE (POST)
Wayward Vagabond --> the sun fan (POST)
Funnygurl555 --> T-Force (POST)
inDheart --> Funnygurl555 (POST
the sun fan --> T-Force (POST)
blindreper1179 --> inDheart (POST)
Wayward Vagabond --> inDheart (POST)
Gradiant --> MixMasterLar (POST)
Wineandbread --> T-Force (POST)
Wayward Vagabond --> DarkManticoreX2 (POST)
the sun fan --> Wineandbread (POST)
Funnygurl555 --> T-Force (POST)
blindreper1179 --> Wayward Vagabond (POST)
inDheart --> Wayward Vagabond (POST)
Wineandbread --> UNVOTE (POST)
Funnygurl555 --> Wineandbread (POST)
MixMasterLar --> Funnygurl555 (POST)
Wineandbread --> Wayward Vagabond (POST)
Gradiant --> DarkManticoreX2 (POST)
Wayward Vagabond --> UNVOTE (POST)
inDheart --> T-Force (POST)
roundbox --> blindreper1179 (POST)

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Players who have UNVOTED

Wayward Vagabond

---

Players who haven't voted Day 0

mellonxcollie
T-Force
reuben_tate
DarkManticoreX2

Looking at this again


Gradiant, me, Roundbox, SunFan and WnB did Blind in.

I think this is a good enough pool to try and look into when I get back

I'd like to see more from Roundbox and SunFan this phase: Roundbox hasn't gone HAM yet and I always look forward to that; SunFan has posted alot but most of it seems to be plagued with uneasiness and non-committal quips

[MixMasterLar]

Charu you can count this as like 1 contenful posts lol don't mean to run the numbers up

[roundbox]

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar

I'd like to see more from Roundbox and SunFan this phase: Roundbox hasn't gone HAM yet and I always look forward to that;

I guess I should have seen this coming after your light criticism of sunfan

[Wineandbread]

Well... that's not good. I'll miss looking at Lyn's pretty face :'(

Originally Posted by inDheart

where did that shot go though

that's kinda unfortunate

Are you saying star shot but it was blocked/saved?

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar

So we did have a vigi, meaning that we probably have someone protecting Gradiant which in turn means we get to keep IC around. I guess this isn't as bad as mislynching twice would imply.

My reads are garbage though and I need to reset them and go over yesterday's posts again.

What do you mean someone is protecting Gradiant? It's clear to me wolves are blue hunting, and they hit the mark this time. Still not good to assume a doc/rb are in the game.

I think the bolded is uhh... interesting of you to say. I guess it's because you are trying to read into the setup too much again but from my perspective, we are not too far removed from some of the worst case scenarios.

We have 9 left and potentially 3 mafia. If this true our margin of error isn't great.

Now that I thought about this though I'm a bit curious why T-Force seemed so convinced there were exactly 3 mafia.

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar

Looking at this again


Gradiant, me, Roundbox, SunFan and WnB did Blind in.

I think this is a good enough pool to try and look into when I get back

I'd like to see more from Roundbox and SunFan this phase: Roundbox hasn't gone HAM yet and I always look forward to that; SunFan has posted alot but most of it seems to be plagued with uneasiness and non-committal quips

If you don't count yourself, and you shouldn't be counting Gradiant, that leaves 3. And you didn't address me in particular, why am I getting a pass here?

If I clear myself and Gradiant, that leaves you, rb, and sunfan. I honestly still feel pretty okay about rb (I'll reread tmrw though), and have expressed my spooked impression of sunfan. Your early posts this day have me less convinced.

Gonna take a look at eod tmrw but I may be busy with shenanigans. I graded finals for about 10 hrs today and I just don't really feel like using my head too much before some sleep.

[roundbox]

I'm gonna scan through star's posts tomorrow when I have time
I'm going to a birthday party at like 6:30 but won't be there for terribly long
plus I'm busy on saturday, possibly til eod
fuck

[the sun fan]

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar

Not sure if I expected this of him, you'd think he'd either say "You have to be careful with your attitude" or defend himself for making that observation. He digs his heels in a little deep here is what I'm saying

yes, I dug in my heels because you overreacted and I didn't do anything wrong.

[the sun fan]

Pretty sure star just didn't shoot

she's from ToS, where vigis are punished severely for shooting towns (via guilt), so I don't think she would be of the mindset that shooting, even if the shot misses, is good for town, which is incredibly unfortunate

[inDheart]

Originally Posted by the sun fan

Pretty sure star just didn't shoot

she's from ToS, where vigis are punished severely for shooting towns (via guilt), so I don't think she would be of the mindset that shooting, even if the shot misses, is good for town, which is incredibly unfortunate

also a lot of ToS mechanics make it very easy to hit wolves and bad vigi play makes the game frustrating

ok

[MixMasterLar]

Originally Posted by Wineandbread

What do you mean someone is protecting Gradiant?

Have you like, not read my posts from the last day phase or are you just trying to make me repeat myself?

I feel like someone protected Gradiant and the last nightkill was Vigi. This time wolves decided to skip Gradiant and go blue hunting since it clearly didn't work. This assumes vigi shot first night which I feel almost anyone would do in this situation.

Originally Posted by Wineandbread

It's clear to me wolves are blue hunting, and they hit the mark this time. Still not good to assume a doc/rb are in the game.

Explain the last nightkill then. I get that some people think wolves are intentionally jut not killing IC but I don't believe that near enough.

Originally Posted by Wineandbread

I think the bolded is uhh... interesting of you to say. I guess it's because you are trying to read into the setup too much again but from my perspective, we are not too far removed from some of the worst case scenarios.

With that attitude maybe

Originally Posted by Wineandbread

If you don't count yourself, and you shouldn't be counting Gradiant, that leaves 3. And you didn't address me in particular, why am I getting a pass here?

I don't ever exclude anyone (including myself) in such observations because sure as shit someone will throw a damn hissyfit about me doing so every game. Oh but Lar you're in that group as well waaaahhhh why you gonna be hypocritical

I trust you're smart enough to not go after Gradiant and to know I ain't going after myself here.

Originally Posted by Wineandbread

And you didn't address me in particular, why am I getting a pass here?

You're not. No one said you where off the hook.

I am saying that I'm a little more impressed with you then the other two.

[MixMasterLar]

Originally Posted by roundbox

I guess I should have seen this coming after your light criticism of sunfan

Is this all we're going to get before you go play Dota again?