How do you explain ffr/sm to friends who literally never think about rhythm gaming?

[Dinglesberry]

Originally Posted by HeZe

E: Don't show ffr to girls, they start hating you

Lol yeah probably cause we are all fukd and I bet everyone here's done something like saying how fast their fingers are or some shit to a girl l0l

"Just thing about how fast and accurate these fingers are"

[PhantomPuppy]

yeah i just say dance dance revolution on the computer and people understand. how to keep people interested in SM/FFR is a different story. rhythm game hyped died down in the mid 2000's for a majority of people after guitar hero. the people still interested are people that have been in the community of rhythm games for years already, with a few exceptions here and there.

[thesunfan]

"ddr with a keyboard"

your friends probably just aren't interested in rhythm games, mine sure aren't

I don't really think you're doing anything wrong, even if you followed hi19's (pretty good) advice, you still aren't that likely to get interested responses from friends, I think.

[Gundam-Dude]

Originally Posted by leonid

I actively try to hide it

same

[ItsOnlyDanO]

Most of my friends are quite understanding when it comes to the game, when I told them about it they seemed to get it pretty well (they know its a rhythm game that you play on your keyboard)

Random sidenote: I had to explain ffr to my doctor when i spoke to him about my arm and he grasped it surprisingly well

[Dinglesberry]

Originally Posted by ItsOnlyDanO

Random sidenote: I had to explain ffr to my doctor when i spoke to him about my arm and he grasped it surprisingly well

I wonder how many doctors know about FFR/stepmania/rhythm games, just based on people coming in for hand pain lol

[rushyrulz]

Originally Posted by hi19hi19

I'm saying that from the point of view of back when I could easily FC Etude for the Sinners lol

Just play whatever JS file is comfortable for you. VS Boss Battle is a good candidate, for example, though it doesn't have the nice intro that lets you explain the game.

Serenade, even with the nullifidian cockblast at the end it's a lovely progressive file.

[Dynam0]

Originally Posted by Dinglesberry

I wonder how many doctors know about FFR/stepmania/rhythm games, just based on people coming in for hand pain lol

Rhythm games shouldn't be any more stressful to the body than casual typing if done properly. Half of the reason people develop issues is due to repeatedly utilizing poor technique when typing/making hand motions. Other aggravating factors like hypothyroidism, arthritis, or diabetes etc. can increase the likelihood. You should keep your wrists below your fingers so that pressure on the median nerve is minimized.

[Dinglesberry]

Originally Posted by Dynam0

Rhythm games shouldn't be any more stressful to the body than casual typing if done properly. Half of the reason people develop issues is due to repeatedly utilizing poor technique when typing/making hand motions. Other aggravating factors like hypothyroidism, arthritis, or diabetes etc. can increase the likelihood. You should keep your wrists below your fingers so that pressure on the median nerve is minimized.

I try to keep my wrists flat on the table, i feel like it gives more control than raising them, might be a bit slower but i dunno

Someone should make a guide on wrist position.. any tips? pls, for us lowbies

[Dynam0]

Wrist-up technique can be advantageous in certain situations but from a medical perspective you should try to avoid doing it too much.

[Trumpet63]

Rhythm games just aren't that interesting to watch, especially without in-depth knowledge of them. They require our full attention to play them, so there's not a lot of commentary we can do. There's nothing universal to empathize with about an ability to press buttons quickly, and watching people practice can be like watching people lift weights to music, i.e. not very interesting.

I can't get people to watch more than one or two songs, but if I tell them about the difficulty system they sometimes ask questions. If I'm lucky, I can start to get more in depth and explain how accuracy is emphasized far more than just hitting the notes. Most often I get people that ask how I can possibly hit all the notes when they can't even see them, and I explain how cool it is that you start to just see the patterns and the motions become automatic. Sometimes they ask how many times I've played the song I show them, typically a lot, but then I point out that sight reading is its own thing, and that the music plays a big role in allowing you to predict what comes next.

[Dinglesberry]

I don't really agree, I think rhythm games leave alot of room for chat interaction, especially between songs (lets say a live stream)...

The concept of improving and progression is pretty universal and most people can understand it, tbh

[Staiain]

I say I press buttons fast to arrows on the screen

[Charu]

"Wanna hear some unique buzz-y music?"

[Charu]

"I'll show you the true meaning of JAPAN STYLE BREAKCORE"

[YoshL]

Originally Posted by Charu

"I'll show you the true meaning of JAPAN STYLE BREAKCORE"

"Yo i just got a file into this game lemme show you it"

[Shadowcliff]

TL;DR HAHAHAHA

Originally Posted by leonid

I actively try to hide it

Rofl I try to do this but my roommates became curious about the furious tapping coming from my room.

Originally Posted by hi19hi19

If you want to be entertaining, you have to explain how the game works as you play.

The other obvious suggestion is to get good so that you can keep your combo.

Also finally you have to not act & sound like a neckbearded ****** when you play. Even if you spend 9 hours a day every day playing arrow games and are super proud of how high the skillcap is in this game, try to curb your desire to talk about that and instead let people as you questions about the music and the community and stuff. That makes it more accessible.

These are all great suggestions.

Originally Posted by Charu

If only because as a spectator, SM/Osumania/FFR/MusicGameHere is just not interesting to watch as it is to perform.

This seems to be the bottomline.

Originally Posted by IILUCKEYII

I usually get better responses out of people if I emphasize how hard something is.

In my experience this has worked to gain some vested interest, until I kill it by setting the bar too high the first time I show them a song. It goes from "Oh, I could get into this" to "This rabbit hole goes too deep"

ie:

Originally Posted by NinjaSM

"It's a hole that you probably can't get out of"

Originally Posted by rushyrulz

Serenade, even with the nullifidian cockblast at the end it's a lovely progressive file.

I broke combo at the end but the nps slide makes for a good demonstration!

Originally Posted by Dynam0

Wrist-up technique can be advantageous in certain situations but from a medical perspective you should try to avoid doing it too much.

In which situations would it be useful to have wrists up?

Originally Posted by Trumpet63

Watching people practice can be like watching people lift weights to music, i.e. not very interesting.

Most often I get people that ask how I can possibly hit all the notes when they can't even see them, and I explain how cool it is that you start to just see the patterns and the motions become automatic.

I really like your description of this game. A couple of my roommates have picked up on what it takes to train your skill in this game and are most impressed by the muscle memory. I was talking to another friend who likes rhythm games (He plays Hatsune Miku games on psvita) who also has known for a long time that I play FFR. I showed him a couple of tournament D3 songs and was describing some different patterns and he says, "Ian, what you see as a distinct pattern there just looks like another cluster of arrows to me." *shrug*

Originally Posted by Dinglesberry

I don't really agree, I think rhythm games leave alot of room for chat interaction, especially between songs (lets say a live stream)...

The concept of improving and progression is pretty universal and most people can understand it, tbh

Yeah! When I started playing again last year, I would get drunk and stream for my friends back in my old home state. They stopped in to just chat and hang out while I trained. I explained things if they asked, but most of the time we just went on with our regular banter and sometimes they gave me shit for not getting everything perfect. Which was totally welcomed and lots of fun. I think I've had maximum 4 friends at once watching me stream.

Originally Posted by YoshL

"Yo i just got a file into this game lemme show you it"

That's the spirit!!! I have a small few unfinished stepfiles.. Maybe I should bring them out of the cave and start getting feedback.

[Wayward Vagabond]

Its like masturbating while listening to music so you try to stroke it to the beat

[Shadowcliff]

Originally Posted by Wayward Vagabond

Its like masturbating while listening to music so you try to stroke it to the beat

*masturbating to classical music*

[rushyrulz]

Originally Posted by Shadowcliff

In which situations would it be useful to have wrists up?

Advantageous for very jacky songs like AIM Anthem