orlando shooting

[adlp]

this is extremely sad

radical islam sucks

[Frank Munoz]

Originally Posted by hi19hi19

I find it highly amusing that the narrative around this shooting is literally already about gun control and that it's apparently all white people's fault.
Holy shit get it together liberal media, this is the kind of jumping to conclusions that makes people vote for Trump.

That said, my heart goes out to those affected.

I personally wouldn't blame people for considering "gun control",
being that it's the largest mass murder in the history of the usa committed with firearms.
whether it's the right thing to consider or not, people are desperate to end this stuff, especially when mourning.

The reason I mention this is because the context of your claim "...the narrative around this shooting is literally already about gun control..."
makes it seem like those who considered it are wrong to do so.
Makes you seem inconsiderate, but maybe that's your thing iono.


"Holy shit get it together liberal media, this is the kind of jumping to conclusions that makes people vote for Trump."
Totally agree, conclusions like these are absolutely the reason why trump has made his way this far into his campaign(or anyone for that matter)
though this "conclusion" the liberal media has made isn't factual.

As much as the title of the article suggests
NBC ‘Law Enforcement Expert’
Blamed Orlando Terror Shooting
on Anti-Gay ‘White Hate Groups’
it's uh, not correct.
more of another click-bait article with skewed information(who woulda guessed it).

The law expert lists possible reasons and backgrounds the murderer may have had to commit this attack.
He mentions the group which expresses the most hatred towards the lgbt community(White Christian Males) then continues to discuss other possible backgrounds.
This one mention of "white" is where I believe the article is over-blowing quite a bit to support their own views.
Or to gain views,
bait people, ya know the good stuff

I suggest watchin the vid yourselves rather than trust my quotes.

the part where he mentions "white hate movements"
"there's alota domestic terrorist we classify that do that, they're rooted in white hate movements, and so it could be that"
he then continues with
"the fbi has also said they haven't ruled out internationally inspired when asked by reporters" as well.
then says, something along the lines of
so who really knows, and it's unclear because they don't know yet.
Now, to me that isn't a direct call out. Seems reasonable to mention such information but i guess it's up to interpretation since there's an article about this.
again, I suggest reading and watching the video yourself if you haven't since text based quotes can't really be trusted.

it looks like the article itself is attempting to sway others into thinking that the law expert directly blamed white people. Which, he didn't do, but whoever typed that page up keeps insisting on overstating the expert's words.
it also quotes obama's speeches from 2015 about islam, which honestly looks like an attempt to oppose obama.
not that it's bad to oppose him. just unnecessary regarding what the original purpose of the article was; the law expert seeming to blame white people for the shooting.
Things like
"Cavanaugh was clearly attempting to dissuade MSNBC viewers from assuming Islamic terror was a motivation of the Orlando shooter."
weren't actually clear at all, an example of skewing.
It's another highly opinionated page, trying to say that "x media" is highly opinionated and wrong, so follow our ideals.

The reason I say all this is because
you callin out people who be jumping to wild conclusions, but you are guilty of that as well from my perspective.

iono if you just some kinda hypocrite though so my bad if that's your thing
or if you believe that Cavanaugh blamed all white people for the shooting, my bad again if so. We would just have some very distant viewpoints if so.

I personally prefer hypocrisy to kinda just not exist anymore,
but maybe i'm just some asshole who thinks he's right and tries to push his own views on someone else.

[SKG_Scintill]

Originally Posted by adlp

radical islam sucks

radicals suck, not islam specifically

[kommisar]

yeah wouldn't want to get into the millions of gay people oppressed and killed in african countries because of gay laws pushed by american christians now would we

[Azpb Djbread]

My friend passed away today, right around this time, to, which truly sucks.

[flashpantss]

The Acquaintance I knew, Shane, was confirmed of being a victim of this.

Sad day.

[Charu]

Yo... I'm so sorry to hear flash

[Jtehanonymous]

awful to hear flash, my condolences. :/

i'll be marching with the pride student union at the university of florida in just a few hours to honor the orlando victims. I've been wrestling with a bunch of thoughts about this lately and can't stop thinking about everyone affected.

[lofty rhino]

this is fucking sickening

[korny]

Originally Posted by SKG_Scintill

radicals suck, not islam specifically

Except radical islam is far more of an actual threat and does far more harm than radical anything else

[j-rodd123]

really disgusting and sad act. 50 is such an unimaginable number, really is tragic. sorry to everyone in this thread who has mentioned they were personally affected by this, stay strong

[DissonantMuse]

So heartbreaking... it makes me sick to my stomach hearing about acts of violence like this out of pure hatred. There really are evil and soulless people out there and it's terrifying. My sincerest condolences go out to all the victims and family and friends affected by this tragedy

[Rojaf]

Originally Posted by korny

Except radical islam is far more of an actual threat and does far more harm than radical anything else

in America this is true now.

go to central African republic, or go back in time (not that far) and be black or lgbt and radical christianity is really the only problem.

[Rojaf]

and while radical Islam is far deadlier in the USA right now, radical christianity still affects way too many lgbt people to claim that it is not a problem.

look at North Carolina.

[Reincarnate]

This is just so sad and tragic. I hope the families of the victims can pull through.

[choof]

Originally Posted by kommisar

yeah wouldn't want to get into the millions of gay people oppressed and killed in african countries because of gay laws pushed by american christians now would we

this happens so often on a nearly daily basis that everyone who does not have ties to it has been desensitized

this doesn't make it right or wrong, it's just a fact

[choof]

Originally Posted by korny

Except radical islam is far more of an actual threat and does far more harm than radical anything else

radical anything is a threat and more harmful than the non-radical anything else

[hi19hi19]

Originally Posted by Frank Munoz

I personally wouldn't blame people for considering "gun control",
being that it's the largest mass murder in the history of the usa committed with firearms.
whether it's the right thing to consider or not, people are desperate to end this stuff, especially when mourning.

The reason I mention this is because the context of your claim "...the narrative around this shooting is literally already about gun control..."
makes it seem like those who considered it are wrong to do so.
Makes you seem inconsiderate, but maybe that's your thing iono.

This feels to me like it's a "gun control issue" in the same way 9/11 was an "airplane issue" or the Boston bombing was a "pressure cooker issue"

These things are always way more complicated than they seem - already we know (or, rather, many news sources are rather confidently reporting) that the shooter was male, Muslim, a registered Democrat, a legal gun owner... that's already a lot of very politically charged aspects of one person's identity that could be part of the issue. It's totally possible that altering gun laws are a way to prevent tragedies like this in the future. But it was less than a day after the event and people were already clamoring about "omg guns kill gay people!" and that prompted the standard response from the other side "omg ther taken er guns!!!" and its like, calm the fuck down America. We don't know shit about what happened yet. For the narrative I'm seeing from major news stations to already be so completely about this one aspect of the issue is laughable.

Also you realize if a law expert went on air and said "oh hey, Muslims bomb things, and yeah some of 'em really hate gays, so it could be that" that person would so incredibly instantly be out of a job and probably lynched IRL, but saying the same thing -incorrectly, I might add- about white people seems to be a totally okay and routine part of a TV appearance? I'm not objecting to experts considering that a white person might be behind the crime, I'm objecting to the hilarious double standards where it's acceptable to randomly point fingers at white people when anyone else would be a taboo target (and, for the record, publicly pointing fingers like that without really knowing much should be a taboo, white people included). It makes me mad because it's racist and nobody seems to have the balls to call it that, and people do it all the time and I know that's why we're going to be stuck with 4 years of goddamn President Trump

:/

[hi19hi19]

As evidence of just how stupid it is to be talking about "solutions" to tragedies like this, consider when those comments were made, we didn't even know how many shooters there were or if there were accomplices.

Can we stop trying to "predict" and "solve" everything within 12 hours of it happening?
Maybe focus on aiding the victims, constructive things like that?

[Reincarnate]

Originally Posted by hi19hi19

As evidence of just how stupid it is to be talking about "solutions" to tragedies like this, consider we don't even know how many shooters there were or if there were accomplices.

Can we stop trying to "predict" and "solve" everything within 12 hours of it happening?
Maybe focus on aiding the victims, constructive things like that?

Well, the problem is that this shit keeps happening at an alarming rate. It's only natural for people to try to posit solutions.