TWG 150: Undertale

[TWG Mettaton]

actually, if sans is a wolf, I think we 100% can win this phase

the reasoning is a little bit tricky and is predicated on the fact that there is a Gunsmith in the setup.

(Gunsmith don't claim yet)

[TWG Mettaton]

Originally Posted by TWG Mettaton

actually, if sans is a wolf, I think we 100% can win this phase

the reasoning is a little bit tricky and is predicated on the fact that there is a Gunsmith in the setup.

(Gunsmith don't claim yet)

this is wrong, I meant we can 100% solve the game this phase

[TWG Mettaton]

I really want to explain why but that makes it possible for the wolves to hijack the plan

[TWG Mettaton]

basically, if nobody claims to own a gun, the gunsmith can claim and then we win

There is no reason to hold back having a gun, for fear of your safety or whatever, since you will be able to use the gun on sans this phase.

[TWG Mettaton]

here's a hint

the fact that Alphys was roleblocked today means that there are two guns in circulation.

(assuming she's legit.)

[TWG Mettaton]

THAT IS, unless one of the dead people had a gun.

[TWG Sans]

what are you even going on about, dapackback?

[TWG Mettaton]

I invite you to think about it overnight and we can talk about it tomorrow

if possible I would like this discussed and resolved before EoD

[TWG Mettaton]

Originally Posted by TWG Sans

what are you even going on about, dapackback?

you got got, son

[TWG Mettaton]

Originally Posted by TWG Sans

what are you even going on about, dapackback?

there's no way the gunsmith got roleblocked, ever

I also forgot the possibility that the gunsmith hasn't activated their ability yet, or only used it once

[TWG Sans]

more like you're setting up for failure

fine by me

[TWG Mettaton]

if the gunsmith got roleblocked one Night 1, then the wolves would have either killed that person, or roleblocked them. which we know is impossible if Alphys is telling the truth.

[TWG Papyrus]

you humans know you're digging your own graves by continuing these dumb ass conversations, right?

[TWG Papyrus]

not actually directed at mettaton btdubs i kinda like him

[TWG Mettaton]

Meaning: if the gunsmith lent out a gun, the wolves got that gun. (Night 1)

Also meaning: if the gunsmith outs, then the person who received the Night 1 gun is a wolf.

Nobody has confessed to owning the Night 2 gun, either, which is equally suspicious: the gunsmith did not get roleblocked or killed during Night 2, so the Night 2 gun has a very high chance of being in a wolf's hands too.

If a wolf fakeclaims owning a gun, then it will be easy to tell if they are lying about owning the gun.

If a wolf claims owning a gun, then we force them to use it on sans, and then we can investigate them further if we need.

[TWG Mettaton]

((That said there might be a hole in this logic. The gunsmith should not do anything yet until others weigh in.))

[TWG Mettaton]

Obviously, if the gunsmith has not lent out ANY guns, they remain silent about it

[TWG Undyne]

I feel as though the fact that we've gone through two day phases now without any active players jumping up to say "I got a gun!" is pretty indicative that there is no Mouse in this setup.

If two players have been sitting on guns, that is... strange.

[TWG Alphys]

Granted a spaghettismith exists

[TWG Mettaton]

Originally Posted by TWG Alphys

Granted a spaghettismith exists

yeah, that's what this is predicated on

if there's no gunsmith, then oh well