TWG XVII: Roasted Fanclub Chicken with Intrigue (Day 7) - Page 3

**Tasselfoot** · 06-21-2005, 03:52 PM

Oh yea... I forgot to add... this is for EVERYONE to verify... Whorli's post back against Jurs is a personal attack back. AKA... Whorli is defending herself only, not shooting down Jurs' idea (which by the way doesn't work with Kilga running the game... but, I love everyone trying to copy me.. read: TPS too). The early personal defense is completely unnecessary and draws attention when its not needed. I've seen wolves do it in the past (I've seen humans do it too, but much less often), and when I read it, it certainly didn't sway my feelings at all.

One final note that I'll add... right after I wrote that post, I asked Whorli "are you a wolf?" and she looked me in the eyes and said no. Frankly, it makes me want to change my mind, but the first impression and previously stated reasons can't be ignored. Last game I gave HUGE logic against Blah, voted him... and then backed off. He was a wolf. I vowed to trust my first instict and not to second guess myself, so I'm not going to. I stick by my first impressions about Whorli and won't let one late "human" vibe throw me off.

dAnceguy117 · 06-21-2005, 04:40 PM

There's something that's been bugging me for awhile in this thread, and I think I want to figure it out. Why the hell would TPS send these PMs to some, and not others?

I can't expect everyone to post just for this, but if everyone could say whether they got a PM from TPS or not, that'd be great.

hydrojakep · 06-21-2005, 05:23 PM

I got a PM from tps after i bitched to him. He said it was only a screw up.

evilbutterfly · 06-21-2005, 05:39 PM

Frankly Tass, whether you're right or not, I think using real life interactions is just plain unfair in this game. It's come up before and will more than likely come up again, and every time it does it angers me. Also, your little history of predicting her doesn't really show much, since every time it mattered you weren't in the game or you saw her PM or something. I dunno, I just see this as another attempt by you to dominate the game and control everything as you will. And if you people know me at all you should know that I HATE WHEN HE DOES THAT!! Anywho, I realized just a lil while ago that we have 3 more days to decide, so I guess that's just one way to get us started.

So, so far, we have:

Tass vs Whorli
TPS vs ...um, yeah
I think there's something else vs I have bad memory....dammit

Well, this is more than we usually have early in Day 1, so I'd say we're doing pretty good for having lost the seer. However, I see now how those mid-day seerings could really help.

And for the record: Yes I got a PM from TPS.

**Tasselfoot** · 06-21-2005, 05:54 PM

eb, I gave 3 examples that you can't use from past TWGs and FOUR that you can use where I correctly stated which role Whorli was. 4/4. And, blah has already told me that when Whorli is lynched today... cause I'm making sure that she will be.... he'll let us know the result.

If she is human, then be my guest... lynch me. I'm not wrong. I know my woman.

whorlichan · 06-21-2005, 06:06 PM

Well gee. The one person I trust the most, is against me from the very beginning. There goes my easy alliance.

For the record, hon, I'm ALWAYS sarcastic. You of all people should know that. I am being defensive about what I am because I'm still pissed over what you did to me last game--not trusting a word I said until you could "look into my eyes" and see for yourself. Well, you did that several times and now you're turning your back on your own "proven strategy."

And if you'll look back, defensive is the way I always play, because I always get bitched at for being inactive or not posting enough or whatnot. Stupid reasons that get me killed when I'm ALWAYS a plain old boring human. And if you couldn't tell, my response to Jursey was a JOKE. Laughter ensues, etc. And since I'm going to be AFK a lot during this game, I wanted to get it into the open early. Why do I always seem to be moving during TWGs, anyway? And now that I have a vote on me, of course I'll be MORE defensive. I don't want your powerful TWG-penis to sway the younguns to vote just because you're OMGTASS! (I think most of the players in this game are more intelligent than that anyway.

)

On a completely separate note, I don't really understand TPS's PM, but then I've never claimed to be particularly clever with stuff like that. Tass will be the first to say I'm absolutely useless at logic puzzles or stuff that takes deep thinking to figure out...I'm better with easy things, like kid's books

I just don't get WHY he sent it out...especially since I can't decode it.

JurseyRider734 · 06-21-2005, 07:32 PM

First one is Morse code, put it into a translator. Get something into a different language, translate it. Figure it out from there, pretty simple.

The next one takes a little more work.

GuidoHunter · 06-21-2005, 08:00 PM

Is there any reason you're not revealing everything, Jursey? I don't see any reason to keep this hidden. A group could get this done quicker than everyone working individually. If he's a wolf, great, we lynch him. If he's green, great, leave him alone. If he's blue, the guardian and voyeur can work things out.

This is, of course, assuming he'll tell the truth. There's no reason to believe him except his word, which isn't trustworthy in this game.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

**Tasselfoot** · 06-21-2005, 08:03 PM

Frankly... if he's blue... he being an idiot for revealing himself, even in hints... especially with blah coming out. the guardian can only guard one blue. Plus, if he is the guardian, he can't protect himself.

If he's red... its just as stupid.

Only makes sense if he's green, in which case riddles merely piss people off, especially if the ending leads them to the boring answer.

This was all about TPS, btw... I'll have another post about Whorli tomorrow.

dAnceguy117 · 06-21-2005, 08:16 PM

Yeah, but why would he do that? If he wants people to know something, why not just tell them? Putting it into morse code isn't going to scare off the wolves - only make them want to know more. Plus, if he is telling the truth, why should I believe him any more than I would if he told me without putting it into morse code, Spanish, Italian, made me look up a synonym of some stupid word, and then expects me to have taken global history in 8th grade, etc. >_>

There's no reason for TPS to do it as a green now. Before, he could have been trying to get himself seered. Now, with the seer dead, there is absolutely no reason to do this as a green, except for the off chance that he wants himself to get guardianed because he thinks he's the shit XD

Although, by the PM itself, it's basically given that he's either a blue or a red. There's basically two possible scenarios here - he's try to pull a stunt as a blue, and maybe it works, or he's pulling reverse psychology as a red. Or just distracting everyone. Whatever works, I guess.

Personally, I think there's a decent chance TPS is a wolf, but I'm not going to vote him because I think there's also a good chance that he's a blue.

There's quite a bit of posting, which is nice, but it seems like it's only from certain people. It'd be nice if everyone would post, I'd like something to vote on kthx. ;D

Omeganitros · 06-21-2005, 08:45 PM

POOPY!

And I was liking the story too.

GuidoHunter · 06-21-2005, 08:51 PM

I think it makes the most sense for Tps to do this as a green, to make the game interesting for himself. As we've said many times before, this is not a team game.

Next most likely scenario: he's a red trying to throw us off. It could work.

And Tass, the voyeur is almost a guardian himself. Suppose blah came out as the guardian instead of the psychic. The voyeur could watch him for three nights so that the wolves don't go for him, unless they're willing to throw away one of their members.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

hydrojakep · 06-21-2005, 09:16 PM

If he's the voyeur, he made a mistake. If he wants us to know he's the voyeur he should have came clean before psychic did it. If he's a wolf he's a stupid wolf. If he's a human he's a bored human. So is he stupid or bored? Probobly bored. I'm probobly going to end up disregarding his hints.

About tass and whorli, i'm uncertain what i think of this. Whorli hasnt acted wolfish, but i havent talked to her much.

Now, the voyeur needs someone he can trust. This is an idea that i just thought of. Voyeur, if you're not tps and you've been keeping up with this thread, then you should know who you can trust.

JurseyRider734 · 06-22-2005, 07:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GuidoHunter

Is there any reason you're not revealing everything, Jursey?

I don't think Tps WANTS me to share with anyone. Besides, i'm competitive about these things. The people that are helping me are the people that know.

Orli and Tass:

There's many possibilities going on with this.
a) Orli's a wolf
b) Tass's a wolf
c) Orli and Tass are wolves together

Let's face it, they're both smart people. Tass pushing for Orli in the beginning to be lynched will put him out of suspicion or her out of suspicion later on in the game if we have one wolf left(or two). Could be a plan...maybe not. The whole "Oh, I know how she acts off of the internet...so, believe me because i'm Tass" doesn't really fool everyone. Yes, it's convincing, but people need to see for themselves how they act. Also, it lets us know who other people are suspicious of so that we know who to keep an eye out for.

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Edit: Sorry kilgz

**Kilgamayan** · 06-22-2005, 07:47 AM

The OtherSide server is irc2.othersideirc.net.

Everyone always forgets the 2.

HansSky · 06-22-2005, 07:51 AM

Don't you think that tps could be doing this for protection? He's hinting that he's a blue, and with these retarded riddles, he's bound to steer clear of a lynching for a few days. Plus, if he isn't the voyeur or a wolf, he's bound to get a look or two simply because he's begging to get killed at night with this minigame of his. That might keep the wolves off of his back for a while, so none of them get caught early. It's obvious that everybody is in this game to win, and by doing so, you have to LIVE. That is probably what tps is doing.

hydrojakep · 06-22-2005, 10:00 AM

Now that i think of it, the chances of him being a wolf are smaller then a blue. Reds dont like to draw attention to themselves. Like hans said, he's doing it for his protection.

**lightdarkness** · 06-22-2005, 10:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kilgamayan

The OtherSide server is irc2.othersideirc.net.

Everyone always forgets the 2.

Uhh.., I always connect to irc.othersideirc.net

**Tasselfoot** · 06-22-2005, 10:28 AM

Here is my thoughts on Whorli:

1. No, I can't further substanciate my evidence past knowing her better than anyone else on this planet. Its like Guido/Panda just being able to KNOW things about the other from one or two words with their accompanying body language.

2. There are 3 scenarios... a. I'm right and Whorli is a wolf. b. I'm wrong and Whorli is a human + I am human... I still get lynched. c. I'm wrong AND I'm a wolf... I get lynched. I'm risking ALOT by bringing forth this evidence, because if I'm wrong... I'm dead. Blah complicated things by coming out as the psychic today instead of tomorrow... because now if he dies tonight, I still probably get lynched tomorrow, even though that logic is completely flawed. Plus, the guardian is almost certainly going to guard blah, which leaves ME wide open to get wolfed... but if Whorli is already dead, that isn't as big of a deal, as my damage is done.

3. I'm asking for some faith, yes. But, at the same time, IF I AM WRONG... I will not put up any resistance to my lynching on day 2. All of you have played with me for 16 games now, and you all know that I have said time and time again that I would never sacrifice 1 wolf to save another... which is why I didn't include that as a possible scenario. Besides the fact that Whorli would never agree to it. And that the wolves are at a HUGE advantage this game, 4 wolves in 16 players, a dead seer already... and the balance is a voyeur who gets to use his powers 3 times total, instead of every night.

4. eb, I could care less what you think about me trying to take over games. It is not my fault that I am always put into the positions of power in these games. Well... maybe a little, but only because of my cosmic genius (sarcastic). I'm good at this game, which means I'm always coming up with new ideas and strategies to win. I had been hoping for MANY games that Whorli would be a wolf when I was human so that I would be able to see how this would play out... and, now it is. I think.

5. If you want to talk to me about this more, contact me on AIM. I can't give much past my own personal knowledge of Whorli, but at the same time... those of you who have played TWG with a RL friend understand what I am talking about. Two games ago Neon knew nForcer wasn't green because his RL actions were different... they were both blue, so it wasn't a problem... but, its not THAT hard to tell differences in people RL. I pegged Whorli, and I'm using that information now to help all of us win. Trust me with this today, and if I'm wrong... kill me tomorrow.

Vote Whorli.

**lightdarkness** · 06-22-2005, 10:33 AM

I know how much Tass has a hardon for winning, and wouldn't risk being lynched if he wasn't sure he was right.

Whorli, sorry sexy, but I gotta go with tass's TWG Penis.

06-21-2005, 03:52 PM	#41
Tasselfoot Retired BOSS Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Widget Heaven Age: 40 Posts: 25,184	Oh yea... I forgot to add... this is for EVERYONE to verify... Whorli's post back against Jurs is a personal attack back. AKA... Whorli is defending herself only, not shooting down Jurs' idea (which by the way doesn't work with Kilga running the game... but, I love everyone trying to copy me.. read: TPS too). The early personal defense is completely unnecessary and draws attention when its not needed. I've seen wolves do it in the past (I've seen humans do it too, but much less often), and when I read it, it certainly didn't sway my feelings at all. One final note that I'll add... right after I wrote that post, I asked Whorli "are you a wolf?" and she looked me in the eyes and said no. Frankly, it makes me want to change my mind, but the first impression and previously stated reasons can't be ignored. Last game I gave HUGE logic against Blah, voted him... and then backed off. He was a wolf. I vowed to trust my first instict and not to second guess myself, so I'm not going to. I stick by my first impressions about Whorli and won't let one late "human" vibe throw me off. __________________ RIP

06-21-2005, 05:23 PM	#43
hydrojakep FFR Player Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Earth. Age: 32 Posts: 2,293	I got a PM from tps after i bitched to him. He said it was only a screw up. __________________

06-21-2005, 05:39 PM	#44
evilbutterfly FFR Player Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Small town, TN Age: 37 Posts: 5,784	Frankly Tass, whether you're right or not, I think using real life interactions is just plain unfair in this game. It's come up before and will more than likely come up again, and every time it does it angers me. Also, your little history of predicting her doesn't really show much, since every time it mattered you weren't in the game or you saw her PM or something. I dunno, I just see this as another attempt by you to dominate the game and control everything as you will. And if you people know me at all you should know that I HATE WHEN HE DOES THAT!! Anywho, I realized just a lil while ago that we have 3 more days to decide, so I guess that's just one way to get us started. So, so far, we have: Tass vs Whorli TPS vs ...um, yeah I think there's something else vs I have bad memory....dammit Well, this is more than we usually have early in Day 1, so I'd say we're doing pretty good for having lost the seer. However, I see now how those mid-day seerings could really help. And for the record: Yes I got a PM from TPS. __________________ So I've gone completely slack-ass and haven't done any work on creating games. =( In less-depressing news, I got a job for an online business (which sells non-electronic games, of all things!) which has taught me a lot about marketing online and all that jazz. So now I'm on Twitter @NoahWright. And I write the blog for their website. Plus I do cool programming in-house that you'll never see. =O

06-21-2005, 05:54 PM	#45
Tasselfoot Retired BOSS Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Widget Heaven Age: 40 Posts: 25,184	eb, I gave 3 examples that you can't use from past TWGs and FOUR that you can use where I correctly stated which role Whorli was. 4/4. And, blah has already told me that when Whorli is lynched today... cause I'm making sure that she will be.... he'll let us know the result. If she is human, then be my guest... lynch me. I'm not wrong. I know my woman. __________________ RIP

06-21-2005, 06:06 PM	#46
whorlichan Tiny Plastic Meat Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: The Valley, Los Angeles Age: 40 Posts: 669	Well gee. The one person I trust the most, is against me from the very beginning. There goes my easy alliance. For the record, hon, I'm ALWAYS sarcastic. You of all people should know that. I am being defensive about what I am because I'm still pissed over what you did to me last game--not trusting a word I said until you could "look into my eyes" and see for yourself. Well, you did that several times and now you're turning your back on your own "proven strategy." And if you'll look back, defensive is the way I always play, because I always get bitched at for being inactive or not posting enough or whatnot. Stupid reasons that get me killed when I'm ALWAYS a plain old boring human. And if you couldn't tell, my response to Jursey was a JOKE. Laughter ensues, etc. And since I'm going to be AFK a lot during this game, I wanted to get it into the open early. Why do I always seem to be moving during TWGs, anyway? And now that I have a vote on me, of course I'll be MORE defensive. I don't want your powerful TWG-penis to sway the younguns to vote just because you're OMGTASS! (I think most of the players in this game are more intelligent than that anyway. ) On a completely separate note, I don't really understand TPS's PM, but then I've never claimed to be particularly clever with stuff like that. Tass will be the first to say I'm absolutely useless at logic puzzles or stuff that takes deep thinking to figure out...I'm better with easy things, like kid's books I just don't get WHY he sent it out...especially since I can't decode it. __________________ Goddess of Chocolate Sauce First ever graduate of the Quetzacoatino Academy for Aspiring Deities My lame LJ My friend Cassie's amazing photography

06-21-2005, 04:40 PM	#42
dAnceguy117 new hand moves = dab Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: he/they Age: 33 Posts: 10,094	There's something that's been bugging me for awhile in this thread, and I think I want to figure it out. Why the hell would TPS send these PMs to some, and not others? I can't expect everyone to post just for this, but if everyone could say whether they got a PM from TPS or not, that'd be great.

06-21-2005, 08:03 PM	#49
Tasselfoot Retired BOSS Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Widget Heaven Age: 40 Posts: 25,184	Frankly... if he's blue... he being an idiot for revealing himself, even in hints... especially with blah coming out. the guardian can only guard one blue. Plus, if he is the guardian, he can't protect himself. If he's red... its just as stupid. Only makes sense if he's green, in which case riddles merely piss people off, especially if the ending leads them to the boring answer. This was all about TPS, btw... I'll have another post about Whorli tomorrow. __________________ RIP

06-21-2005, 08:16 PM	#50
dAnceguy117 new hand moves = dab Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: he/they Age: 33 Posts: 10,094	Yeah, but why would he do that? If he wants people to know something, why not just tell them? Putting it into morse code isn't going to scare off the wolves - only make them want to know more. Plus, if he is telling the truth, why should I believe him any more than I would if he told me without putting it into morse code, Spanish, Italian, made me look up a synonym of some stupid word, and then expects me to have taken global history in 8th grade, etc. >_> There's no reason for TPS to do it as a green now. Before, he could have been trying to get himself seered. Now, with the seer dead, there is absolutely no reason to do this as a green, except for the off chance that he wants himself to get guardianed because he thinks he's the shit XD Although, by the PM itself, it's basically given that he's either a blue or a red. There's basically two possible scenarios here - he's try to pull a stunt as a blue, and maybe it works, or he's pulling reverse psychology as a red. Or just distracting everyone. Whatever works, I guess. Personally, I think there's a decent chance TPS is a wolf, but I'm not going to vote him because I think there's also a good chance that he's a blue. There's quite a bit of posting, which is nice, but it seems like it's only from certain people. It'd be nice if everyone would post, I'd like something to vote on kthx. ;D

06-21-2005, 08:45 PM	#51
Omeganitros auauauau Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Hee-Haw! Age: 35 Posts: 8,897	POOPY! And I was liking the story too.

06-21-2005, 09:16 PM	#53
hydrojakep FFR Player Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Earth. Age: 32 Posts: 2,293	If he's the voyeur, he made a mistake. If he wants us to know he's the voyeur he should have came clean before psychic did it. If he's a wolf he's a stupid wolf. If he's a human he's a bored human. So is he stupid or bored? Probobly bored. I'm probobly going to end up disregarding his hints. About tass and whorli, i'm uncertain what i think of this. Whorli hasnt acted wolfish, but i havent talked to her much. Now, the voyeur needs someone he can trust. This is an idea that i just thought of. Voyeur, if you're not tps and you've been keeping up with this thread, then you should know who you can trust. __________________

06-22-2005, 07:47 AM	#55
Kilgamayan Super Scooter Happy Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Location, Location. Age: 39 Posts: 6,583	The OtherSide server is irc2.othersideirc.net. Everyone always forgets the 2. __________________ I watched clouds awobbly from the floor o' that kayak. Souls cross ages like clouds cross skies, an' tho' a cloud's shape nor hue nor size don't stay the same, it's still a cloud an' so is a soul. Who can say where the cloud's blowed from or who the soul'll be 'morrow? Only Sonmi the east an' the west an' the compass an' the atlas, yay, only the atlas o' clouds.

06-22-2005, 07:51 AM	#56
HansSky FFR Player Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: ----> Age: 36 Posts: 1,925	Don't you think that tps could be doing this for protection? He's hinting that he's a blue, and with these retarded riddles, he's bound to steer clear of a lynching for a few days. Plus, if he isn't the voyeur or a wolf, he's bound to get a look or two simply because he's begging to get killed at night with this minigame of his. That might keep the wolves off of his back for a while, so none of them get caught early. It's obvious that everybody is in this game to win, and by doing so, you have to LIVE. That is probably what tps is doing. __________________ hi

06-22-2005, 10:00 AM	#57
hydrojakep FFR Player Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Earth. Age: 32 Posts: 2,293	Now that i think of it, the chances of him being a wolf are smaller then a blue. Reds dont like to draw attention to themselves. Like hans said, he's doing it for his protection. __________________

06-22-2005, 10:28 AM	#59
Tasselfoot Retired BOSS Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Widget Heaven Age: 40 Posts: 25,184	Here is my thoughts on Whorli: 1. No, I can't further substanciate my evidence past knowing her better than anyone else on this planet. Its like Guido/Panda just being able to KNOW things about the other from one or two words with their accompanying body language. 2. There are 3 scenarios... a. I'm right and Whorli is a wolf. b. I'm wrong and Whorli is a human + I am human... I still get lynched. c. I'm wrong AND I'm a wolf... I get lynched. I'm risking ALOT by bringing forth this evidence, because if I'm wrong... I'm dead. Blah complicated things by coming out as the psychic today instead of tomorrow... because now if he dies tonight, I still probably get lynched tomorrow, even though that logic is completely flawed. Plus, the guardian is almost certainly going to guard blah, which leaves ME wide open to get wolfed... but if Whorli is already dead, that isn't as big of a deal, as my damage is done. 3. I'm asking for some faith, yes. But, at the same time, IF I AM WRONG... I will not put up any resistance to my lynching on day 2. All of you have played with me for 16 games now, and you all know that I have said time and time again that I would never sacrifice 1 wolf to save another... which is why I didn't include that as a possible scenario. Besides the fact that Whorli would never agree to it. And that the wolves are at a HUGE advantage this game, 4 wolves in 16 players, a dead seer already... and the balance is a voyeur who gets to use his powers 3 times total, instead of every night. 4. eb, I could care less what you think about me trying to take over games. It is not my fault that I am always put into the positions of power in these games. Well... maybe a little, but only because of my cosmic genius (sarcastic). I'm good at this game, which means I'm always coming up with new ideas and strategies to win. I had been hoping for MANY games that Whorli would be a wolf when I was human so that I would be able to see how this would play out... and, now it is. I think. 5. If you want to talk to me about this more, contact me on AIM. I can't give much past my own personal knowledge of Whorli, but at the same time... those of you who have played TWG with a RL friend understand what I am talking about. Two games ago Neon knew nForcer wasn't green because his RL actions were different... they were both blue, so it wasn't a problem... but, its not THAT hard to tell differences in people RL. I pegged Whorli, and I'm using that information now to help all of us win. Trust me with this today, and if I'm wrong... kill me tomorrow. Vote Whorli. __________________ RIP

06-22-2005, 10:33 AM	#60
lightdarkness Summer!! Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: New York Age: 35 Posts: 11,308	I know how much Tass has a hardon for winning, and wouldn't risk being lynched if he wasn't sure he was right. Whorli, sorry sexy, but I gotta go with tass's TWG Penis. __________________

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