TWG CLXXII - TWGood End!

[Charu]

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

I want some other feedback on this point but no way yeti and shadow are on the same wolfchat here

From the context, probably not. I mean there's always that possibility, but that exchanged certainly didn't feel like it was staged.

[Hakulyte]

Originally Posted by TWG Ike

if you think xelnya is more experienced with good pushes, wouldn't it make more sense for scum to take out xelnya as early as possible if they agree with this?

like you say your leading skills aren't the best, but manti had the opportunity to get rid of xelnya who you think has better skills than you, and stuck on you?

Yeah, it makes sense.

Maybe I'm wrong on Manti and it's something else. It's just that Manti felt like he was only here for me and inDheart at one point.

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

one distinct pattern I've noticed with shadow is his predilection to say "here's how I feel right now but it could change later"

many of them are "yes, BUT" reads

I don't know how to use this information so I'm throwing it the rest of you to see if you can decipher it

Just looking at the list I see two dead town, me, and two townreads lol

Gut is that he uses it more with town so that he has wiggle room to change tracks but this read isn't strong

[TWG Ike]

does asmo put all of his teammates in null or below?

smilefires is the only one of his TRs who i don't also TR/hasn't flipped town but he's #1 with absolutely no reason for being there in the post

[AragakiAyase]

K back to trying to sleep gotta get up in 4.5 hours

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by TWG Ike

does asmo put all of his teammates in null or below?

smilefires is the only one of his TRs who i don't also TR/hasn't flipped town but he's #1 with absolutely no reason for being there in the post

No there was one game where he was godfather in a game with only color flips. He'd flip green and tried to get himself lynched so the partner he was townreading would be trusted

Guess Ind is a possibility but idk rn

[TWG Ike]

So far, I'm liking inD, Charu (slightest tinfoil, but reads like normal Charu), and Haku.
vs
Xel seems alright, but I'd like to read him on more than shitposts so I'll wait a bit.

InD - Town.
sunfan - Null, slight scum. 10:57 no time

Roundbox - Totes Null. Don't remember him doing anything and don't have time to look it up.
Blindreper - Frustrated town. Just a feeling no time to elaborate.

Yeti - Slight scumlean. Playing super differently than expected. No time.
vs
Raeko (mellon) - Scum lean. Can't see a solving mindset behind any of her posts. #690 was her readslist and she basically gave townreads to a bunch of people and declared everyone else null. Also this is an old read but she's the queen of UTR when she's scum or third-party, and that's exactly the sort of play I've seen from her today. The one redeeming post where I get a hint of solving was when she said trying to get the alien to claim was more scum than not (about sunfan). I don't really agree with that conclusion, but I can see where she's coming from.

[TWG Ike]

the inD TR is there twice but neither time has a reason for it

sun fan null/SR also has no reason

roundbox and blind have the same "out of time to say more"

but its MOST interesting to me that after a lot of the second half of the list got one line and "no time" (round/blind/me/sun fan), mellon has one of the largest write-ups.

like asmo is scum, so this wasn't a town who really wanted to get their top SR elaborated in their readslist.

what is the purpose of copping out on 4 people for town but ending with the elaborated mellon read

[Hakulyte]

The only weird thing that comes in mind about Raeko for me is that she instantly town read me, but it's not the first time.

I can't really develop much on her because the slank is real.

[Hakulyte]

ps: Her activity is not alignment indicative.

[TWG Ike]

then he doesnt even stay on mellon

Haku - Null, slight scum. He seemed better earlier on (except for the post where he said he was going to sleep instead of shitposting. he later said that post was a shitpost tho so rip), but the more I read the more I noticed a distinct lack of the usual paranoia and tinfoiling I expect from Haku. Posts like #1174, #1116, and #1120, reassure me a bit, but I feel like town!Haku doesn't go through D0 without pushing forward these insane theories and constantly tinfoiling everything.

kirkfan2255 - Null. She's been different than what I remember her in Game 7. She had the balls of steel to commit to her reads and vote first on F3 in the tournament game, and I don't see that here. It's D0 though, and she replaced into Champs G7 really late, so I'm willing to give her time.

Roundbox - Totes Null. Don't remember him doing anything and don't have time to look it up.

Manti - Null, slight scum. Seems off at times and a bit overmechanical. He's made a lot of posts about how much other people are posting, but his own analyses, while seeming to want to dive into mindset, feel lacking.

sunfan - Null, slight scum. 10:57 no time

asmo moves off his strongest scum lean onto haku who is exactly in the middle of his reads

except haku is listed as null, slight scum yet two people who are pure null are below haku in asmo's list

does anyone else find this fishy...?

[DaBackpack]

Originally Posted by TWG Ike

the inD TR is there twice but neither time has a reason for it

sun fan null/SR also has no reason

roundbox and blind have the same "out of time to say more"

but its MOST interesting to me that after a lot of the second half of the list got one line and "no time" (round/blind/me/sun fan), mellon has one of the largest write-ups.

like asmo is scum, so this wasn't a town who really wanted to get their top SR elaborated in their readslist.

what is the purpose of copping out on 4 people for town but ending with the elaborated mellon read

this is a pretty fucking good observation

[DaBackpack]

Originally Posted by TWG Ike

then he doesnt even stay on mellon

Haku - Null, slight scum. He seemed better earlier on (except for the post where he said he was going to sleep instead of shitposting. he later said that post was a shitpost tho so rip), but the more I read the more I noticed a distinct lack of the usual paranoia and tinfoiling I expect from Haku. Posts like #1174, #1116, and #1120, reassure me a bit, but I feel like town!Haku doesn't go through D0 without pushing forward these insane theories and constantly tinfoiling everything.

kirkfan2255 - Null. She's been different than what I remember her in Game 7. She had the balls of steel to commit to her reads and vote first on F3 in the tournament game, and I don't see that here. It's D0 though, and she replaced into Champs G7 really late, so I'm willing to give her time.

Roundbox - Totes Null. Don't remember him doing anything and don't have time to look it up.

Manti - Null, slight scum. Seems off at times and a bit overmechanical. He's made a lot of posts about how much other people are posting, but his own analyses, while seeming to want to dive into mindset, feel lacking.

sunfan - Null, slight scum. 10:57 no time

asmo moves off his strongest scum lean onto haku who is exactly in the middle of his reads

except haku is listed as null, slight scum yet two people who are pure null are below haku in asmo's list

does anyone else find this fishy...?

he claimed to move his vote to Haku because he thought Xel was town, and Haku was the second-biggest wagon at the time

[Hakulyte]

Originally Posted by TWG Ike

but its MOST interesting to me that after a lot of the second half of the list got one line and "no time" (round/blind/me/sun fan), mellon has one of the largest write-ups.

Sunfan went to sleep earlier this phase.
Roundbox has almost no posts.

Blind had an average amount of posts.
You actually have a lot of posts.

So, it's not postcount related.
It's not time related either so it's not like he didn't catch up.

I guess they're players he didn't feel like caring about?

That definitely sounds like all mixed up on purpose.

[TWG Ike]

"During any night phase, you may bet on who will be lynched the next day phase, as well as who will be killed by any night phase related killing power that is NOT related to the scum team. If you are correct on either guess, you gain 3 credits for one, or 7 credits for both."

does the twilight phase count as a night phase for the purposes of asmo's role or did he not have a bet placed for d1?

[TWG Ike]

cause i'd speculate haku may have been his d1 bet for a lynch if he got to place one

[Hakulyte]

Originally Posted by TWG Ike

cause i'd speculate haku may have been his d1 bet for a lynch if he got to place one

That's kind of a bold bet to call that I'm going to rip D0.

It's not like he could expect that I would play this way.

[Hakulyte]

Does he even have any serious pushes this phase ?

[Hakulyte]

I mean, D0.

[LightManticorex2]

I think the wolves are trying to mislynch me this phase, and I'd be ready to brand charu and backpack wolves, but AA said he wasn't really sure on me, so maybe I'm not as glowing town as I think I am.

So I wanna go over this quote chain real quick:

Originally Posted by Charu

...

I can think it

Though there's literally nothing on mellon that looks out of ordinary.

Manti though...

Said blind was always myslynched, saw that the votes were gonna be either blind or Xel, and chose to NOT pick a side and stay on Haku.

Originally Posted by TWG Ike

charu are you saying you think town!manti should have been on xelnya if he thought town!blind was a thing?

Originally Posted by Charu

Yeah, that's what I'm thinking.

And this is me responding to charu last phase:

Originally Posted by LightManticorex2

I didn't say "Blind is town" ffs you don't get to put words in my mouth.

I said blind gets lynched every game. Often by me. Him being lynched now or later makes no difference to me.

That being said he gets mislynched a lot because he doesn't know how to respond appropriately to pressure.

If we're gonna lynch him it's. Better off doing it early, but in reality xel bs blind just feels like an inevitable fight we are getting pushed into and I hate it.

It happens EVERY GAME.

Originally Posted by LightManticorex2

And the fight is generally wolf driven because they are both easy to mislynch.

I literally said blind vs xel is generally wolf driven when it gets pushed to a lynch, because both are easy to mislynch. I didn't particularly want either of them dead but wasn't going to cry if either died.

I wanted Haku dead and I stayed in him.