The Fitness Thread

[SCWolf]

Originally Posted by Reincarnate

Thoughts on the SL program? ICF?

Not sure what those mean

[Reincarnate]

StrongLifts and Ice Cream Fitness

[Reach]

lol Chris

ICF is pretty good if you want a beginner program.

Please don't over analyze your squats this time though

[Reincarnate]

I've decided this time to just do the damn things over and over again, and hopefully the form/flexibility will come with time

[Poison-]

It all comes with time. Nobody starts with perfect form.

[kmay]

the hardest form for me is the damn bench press... the squeeze at the top has yet to sink into my damn mind. whatever. still hurts the next day

[SCWolf]

Originally Posted by Reach

Please don't over analyze your squats this time though

Pretty much this. Squatting is a pretty natural movement. If you can do body weight squats, with a little practice, you can do them just the same with a bar.

Also I don't really know much about Jason Blaha, and I have no idea what the other one you listed was. If I had to recommend something, it would just be strength progression on your compound lifts, bodybuilding-esque progression on assistance exercises. Progressive overload takes you a long way as a beginner.

[Arch0wl]

chris / andrew, would like your feedback on this thread:

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...3133703&page=2

personally I find "don't work obliques with weighted motions" to be bullshit; the guy who said that the problem of the too-big-of-obliques picture was "small everything else" seems essentially correct, as if the guy in the photo trained obliques forever without training other muscle groups

anatomically speaking, obliques are a gigantic muscle:



training them hard would seem to be how you'd get an adonis belt like this:



I'm not sold on the idea that weighted side bends wouldn't train this muscle group, especially when incorporated with deadlifts. I'm also not sold on the idea that training this muscle group extensively is a bad thing, it seems like every person who has "too big obliques" just lacks sufficiently large upper body mass to make up for it.

your thoughts?

(edit: "with", not "into")

edit2:

pro-side bends http://www.ironmanmagazine.com/qa-ar...nds-worthless/
anti-side bends, from same magazine http://www.ironmanmagazine.com/top-10-ab-myths/

[Alioth]

So I did two classes yesterday (High Intensity Muscle Building & Thaiboxing classes) and one today with 5 walks between them (today's class was BJJ No Gi). I feel pretty happy with myself again, plus I lost 5 lbs

[SCWolf]

Originally Posted by Arch0wl

chris / andrew, would like your feedback on this thread:

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...3133703&page=2

personally I find "don't work obliques with weighted motions" to be bullshit; the guy who said that the problem of the too-big-of-obliques picture was "small everything else" seems essentially correct, as if the guy in the photo trained obliques forever without training other muscle groups

anatomically speaking, obliques are a gigantic muscle:



training them hard would seem to be how you'd get an adonis belt like this:



I'm not sold on the idea that weighted side bends wouldn't train this muscle group, especially when incorporated with deadlifts. I'm also not sold on the idea that training this muscle group extensively is a bad thing, it seems like every person who has "too big obliques" just lacks sufficiently large upper body mass to make up for it.

your thoughts?

(edit: "with", not "into")

edit2:

pro-side bends http://www.ironmanmagazine.com/qa-ar...nds-worthless/
anti-side bends, from same magazine http://www.ironmanmagazine.com/top-10-ab-myths/

The belt is somewhat genetic. You can probably build it over time, but the dominance of it is highly dependent on genetics. I don't know TOO much about it, as I've had one since I started and I've literally done direct ab/oblique work maybe 3 times.

[Reincarnate]

omg crying

[Reach]

Bostin Loyd, steroid honesty champion on the internet.

That transformation is fucking ridiculous but holy sweet baby jesus, it might not have taken the captain america machine but it took enough drugs to sink a ship.

[Arch0wl]

probably going to extend my cut for another 7-14 days, depending on how much is needed. my girlfriend tries not to look at me now when I change because she ends up wanting to fuck me, and I'm really close to losing any significant fat off of my midsection. it's good motivation. I can see change in my fat composition on a near-daily basis.

[Reincarnate]

Anyone have any preferences for type / brand for weight plates?

[SCWolf]

York is fine, but anything Olympic standard will be pretty much the same.

For example: http://www.amazon.com/45-Pound-Olymp...092654-1830267

[Arch0wl]

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* Canned salmon is an extremely cheap source of protein, but I've found it difficult to eat a whole can in a single sitting. I have a lot of it though, so I bought McCormick lemon butter seafood sauce because I don't always want to make lemon butter sauce every time and this comes in a bottle that you can just pour on. when I did it was like I entered a salmon trance where the food just couldn't get to my mouth fast enough; like going from spermicidal condoms to sex without condoms. it's another world. another plane of salmon reality.

* Low-fat milk is great to just drink all the time, but if you can afford large amounts of it there's specific high protein milks that have even better protein ratios. this is one. 90 calories, 12 grams of protein. in something you can literally drink out of a carton.

* Ground beef is surprisingly shitty for protein. sure, 95/5 ground beef is great, but the huge packs of ground beef that people buy at the store is usually 80/20 or 75/25, which has horrendous protein ratios. look at this shit. it's a joke. 230 calories for 22 grams of protein. nonfat yogurt stomps all over it, nevermind lean chicken or tuna -- but we know those are the kings of protein anyway.

[kmay]

so yea i might have tendinitis in my elbows... after i biceps day i can't even straighten them out without intense pain. I've looked it up and it seems to be pretty serious. =/

[SCWolf]

Originally Posted by kmay

so yea i might have tendinitis in my elbows... after i biceps day i can't even straighten them out without intense pain. I've looked it up and it seems to be pretty serious. =/

Stop curling

[Reincarnate]

Originally Posted by SCWolf

York is fine, but anything Olympic standard will be pretty much the same.

For example: http://www.amazon.com/45-Pound-Olymp...092654-1830267

Yikes, $215 for 90 pounds? Is that considered normal? I haven't looked into how much weight *should* be to get on the cheap (yet), but that seems awfully high at first glance.

[Arch0wl]

Just make sure you have a safe way of stopping whatever it is you're doing with your barbell exercises. The roll of shame is one way: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qohvvfv0OwA