TWG CLXXXV: C9+++++++++ Game Thread

[Antori]

Originally Posted by Daikyi

if antori flips wolf, i think it's safe to surmise that wolves saw some sort of roleblock go out onto their role cop, or role copped roundbox at some point, but we'll get to that.

can we get a word from roundbox on who he RBed? it would be funny if it happend to be you because for the last time I'm town

[MixMasterLar]

Originally Posted by Antori

can we get a word from roundbox on who he RBed? it would be funny if it happend to be you because for the last time I'm town

Did he not say Gradiant?
I'm sure he did.

[Hakulyte]

I feel like I'm going to get a headache over the mechanical stuff.

[Hakulyte]

Probably voting Antori tonight after reading everything.

[inDheart]

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar

Did he not say Gradiant?
I'm sure he did.

i think that's antori snarking

[inDheart]

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

I feel like I'm going to get a headache over the mechanical stuff.

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

Probably voting Antori tonight after reading everything.

well, you have the idea, i suppose. at least one other power role claim has to be fake from your and my perspective combined

if it was just your pov, the single-T setup could exist, but it has basically exact requirements in which shado and i are both wolves that seer red, and that ain't it

[Hakulyte]

Originally Posted by inDheart

well, you have the idea, i suppose. at least one other power role claim has to be fake from your and my perspective combined

if it was just your pov, the single-T setup could exist, but it has basically exact requirements in which shado and i are both wolves that seer red, and that ain't it

Why specifically you and shado ?

[inDheart]

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

Why specifically you and shado ?

because if the roleblocker and cop claims are all true and three people are green checked, there are 2 roles that seer red left in the game, and only 2 players left that can have them

[Hakulyte]

1) Daikyi - green check (could be godfather (Haku))
2) roundbox - roleblocker (soft clear based on claims being real)
4) MixMasterLar - Town Cop (assuming clears are real)
5) Gradiant - green check (could be godfather (MML))
7) inDheart - VT
10) Antori - 1-shot roleblocker (assuming clears are real)
11) Hakulyte - Town Cop (assuming clears are real (Haku))
12) mellonxcollie - VT (could be godfather)
13) ShadoWolfe - VT

Yeah, ok.

[Hakulyte]

Is there a way to confirm VT count vs PR count ?

e.g: there's always 1 wolf in VTs and 2 wolves in PRs or something.

[Hakulyte]

I sure went potato on these parenthesis, but im pretty sure you guys get it.

I'm just wondering what's the most win/win scenario in terms of solving priority.

[inDheart]

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

Is there a way to confirm VT count vs PR count ?

e.g: there's always 1 wolf in VTs and 2 wolves in PRs or something.

far as i can tell, not definitively

in the setups with no SK, i've gotten it down to either there's a fake cop or shado is lock wolf. night actions could help with that but i'm unsure how much directing people for night actions is a good idea

[Hakulyte]

Do we want to lynch a VT or a PR first and why ? Should we just go by tone at this point ?
Can we get info from a lynch that leads to a 2nd lynch that is sort of safe ?

Pretty much the questions everyone should be asking themselves at this point.

[Hakulyte]

I feel like it's unlikely there's 0 wolf in inD/Shado.
I tend to believe Shado > inD.

I don't know what to conclude from MML vs Roundbox.

Antori feels like a backup lynch.

Don't particularly have anything against Daikyi/Gradiant.

Haven't seen Raeko in a while and I'm unlikely to see her this phase because work tomorrow zzz..

[Hakulyte]

Shado/Antori/? is pretty much where I'm at.

[roundbox]

I think antori is the safest bet
Best case scenario is we lynch the wolf blocker so they have to pick between Haku/MML for their kill

There exists the world fmpov that only one of the cop claims is real and antori is still fake (4T), but the fact of the matter is that antori is always fake here if I assume no Serial Killer

[ShadoWolfe]

I'll be on in a few hours as soon as I get a break from work and find a computer. Came home to a completely nonresponsive OS on my laptop last night. Ended up having to reformat it entirely and on completion it's stuck saying "undoing changes" in the BIOS before windows even boots

[mellon_collie]

sorry about your PC shado :< that's the worst

So I hate when the game gets like this, I can't wrap my head around it properly. I always have to rely on what other people are saying about mechanics and some people are obviously full of BS so yeah I just hate when the game gets like this

I think I can pretty safely assume for myself that there is no SK, given the amount of night kills and just the way the game has gone.

So is there no way there are two blockers in the game??? Cause in that case I believe Roundbox over Antori for sure

[Daikyi]

Originally Posted by mellon_collie

sorry about your PC shado :< that's the worst

So I hate when the game gets like this, I can't wrap my head around it properly. I always have to rely on what other people are saying about mechanics and some people are obviously full of BS so yeah I just hate when the game gets like this

I think I can pretty safely assume for myself that there is no SK, given the amount of night kills and just the way the game has gone.

So is there no way there are two blockers in the game??? Cause in that case I believe Roundbox over Antori for sure

phone post

to clarify, when the setup rolls 'B's, you get roleblockers

if you get 1 B you have a roleblocker in the setup
if you get 2 Bs you have a roleblocker and 1 shot rb

same with C rolls, but slightly different
2 Cs means 1 full cop
4 Cs means 2 full cops
theres a total of 7 Letters that are rolled in the setup

assuming all claims are legit, you have BB CCCC T (ts are remaining)

however, if the number of Ts is odd, there is a serial killer in the setup.

the only way to resolve the claimed PRs to not have a serial killer is if antori is fake, because specifically the 1 shot roleblocker only generates 1 letter and is contingent on a full roleblocker present in the game.

current running hypothesis is that wolves potentially rolecopped roundbox, and coordinated antori feeling safe to claim 1-shot roleblocker before roundbox claimes, to make him look like a really strong claim (because of the dependency) however, probably they didnt account for the setup serial killer thing

[ShadoWolfe]

Originally Posted by mellon_collie

sorry about your PC shado :< that's the worst



So I hate when the game gets like this, I can't wrap my head around it properly. I always have to rely on what other people are saying about mechanics and some people are obviously full of BS so yeah I just hate when the game gets like this



I think I can pretty safely assume for myself that there is no SK, given the amount of night kills and just the way the game has gone.



So is there no way there are two blockers in the game??? Cause in that case I believe Roundbox over Antori for sure

Yeah I just don't wanna lose all my stuff that's on there. It's a great laptop too idk what happened.
Anyway.

In terms of believing roundbox over Antori, you kind of have to if you don't believe in an SK. Antori's claim relies on roundbox, meaning a 1shot roleblocker can't exist without the full roleblocker. I believed Antori at first pending roundbox confirmation from a full roleblocker (because he claimed one-shot before the full), but just now realized that if he's a wolf that he MAY have known for a fact that there's a roleblocker ONLY if the wolf kill was roleblocked on one night.

Meaning if there is no SK, I don't see a wolf claiming 1shot without knowing the full existed.

Also means that if Antori is a wolf, that one in daikyi/gradiant has to be his partner. Considering cop claims, that partner would likely be the godfather, or else one of the cops is lying.


Sorry for the disjointed thoughts, I just wanted to clarify the 1shot for you and things started falling into place. OK, be back in a bit