League of Legends

[Coolboyrulez0]

Originally Posted by _Zenith_

Just curious, how the hell did you guys play with him already when he isn't available yet.

Uh.
He's been available since earlier today...

[phe0nixblade]

PBE
also black cleaver is useful ;___;
i use it all the time

[_Zenith_]

Originally Posted by Coolboyrulez0

Uh.
He's been available since earlier today...

My LoL is updated completely and fully patched and it still doesn't show him in the store, and I haven't seen him in ANY games yet.

Also, I prefer LW over BC, just because the Armor Pen is a greater amount. I was never satisfied with attacking the fastest such as Teemo.

[speeddemon]

Originally Posted by _Zenith_

Also, I prefer LW over BC, just because the Armor Pen is a greater amount.

Not necessarily. 40% is not always going to be greater than 45, especially if you pick up arpen masteries and runes, since the % is factored after the flat. That aside, Black Cleaver actually shreds the armor, not just penetrates, so your entire team gets use out of it. Your bruisers that aren't building any arpen are going to be doing more damage as a result. And getting the 3 stacks on whoever is the focus shouldn't be difficult to do, so don't even try to say that's detrimental.

[_Zenith_]

Originally Posted by speeddemon

Not necessarily. 40% is not always going to be greater than 45, especially if you pick up arpen masteries and runes, since the % is factored after the flat. That aside, Black Cleaver actually shreds the armor, not just penetrates, so your entire team gets use out of it. Your bruisers that aren't building any arpen are going to be doing more damage as a result. And getting the 3 stacks on whoever is the focus shouldn't be difficult to do, so don't even try to say that's detrimental.

Someone earlier in this thread explained that BC doesn't give near as much APen as LW does, and when I play I'm usually the only AD, so that is why I get LW instead of BC. LW's 40% is 102.9 or something like that armor.

[speeddemon]

Originally Posted by _Zenith_

Someone earlier in this thread explained that BC doesn't give near as much APen as LW does, and when I play I'm usually the only AD, so that is why I get LW instead of BC. LW's 40% is 102.9 or something like that armor.

Without runes and masteries the number is around 113, not including the extra 15 AD and 30% AS. I usually don't care enough to pick up Black Cleaver honestly, just defending it's place as an item lol. I'd prefer Last Whisper usually as well, but some carries get decent use out of the Cleaver enough to make it worthwhile (Varus, Vayne, Win Nhao when he was useable in anything other than a stomp). Obviously the two items are for different situations, and when playing ranked most people are smart enough to build defenses, so LW will win out in most of those games. But the frequency in seeing armor on anything but a tank in normals is painfully low, so the Cleaver is perfectly effective in those matches.

[The5thMoon]

Funny game, their vlad was really dumb.

[speeddemon]

Never understood the whole Warmog's on Vlad thing. Passive doesn't grant nearly enough AP to justify buying it, and you're tanky enough already from the AP > HP conversion + pool + hourglass. If you really can't live with 3k+ HP and 5s of invulnerability, you're doing it extremely wrong lol.

[xferrarix]

imo vlad is strong enough with a rylai's and wota in his core build. it's like hecarim's passive. the bonus on it is nice but it's not what you focus your build on

[phe0nixblade]

till my dying day I'll defend not buying warmogs on vlad
waaaaaaaaay back in the thread some idiot kept trying to convince me and i think mina that warmogs are a good item on vlad lmfao

[MinaciousGrace]

o god dont remind me

[Kibblre]

Warmog's on Vlad only works in ARAM and even then it doesn't always work.

[Winrar]

Awww I finally ended up getting my first leave cause of windows updates

[stargroup100]

warmog's on vlad hahahah

that's even worse than black cleaver on an ad carry

[FFR4EVA_00]

but duuuuuuuuuude if u build bc on a ranged ad u can tag enemies with debuffs frm afar & ur lee sins n shivanas can destroy dem!! xd

[pmonibuv1]

Warmogs Anivia ftw. \o/

[hi19hi19]

Black Cleaver Anivia ftw. \o/

[stargroup100]

actually warmogs tear anivia is pretty legit

seen it work before it's pretty dumb

[xferrarix]

i'm guessing on an ad carry lw > bc?

[DarkZtar]

Originally Posted by xferrarix

i'm guessing on an ad carry lw > bc?

generally, but you can get bc early to give you a better chance of snowballing you to late game (where you can sell it for lw)