02-12-2015, 08:05 PM | #1 |
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deductive logic vs inductive logic
lets have a good old fashioned throwdown.
is truth with a capital T important? which has done more for the world, deduction or induction?
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02-12-2015, 08:16 PM | #2 |
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Re: deductive logic vs inductive logic
seduction
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02-12-2015, 08:21 PM | #3 |
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Re: deductive logic vs inductive logic
listen i know that statistically a fojar thread is going to be in TGB, but sometimes they pop up other places too
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02-12-2015, 08:23 PM | #4 |
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Re: deductive logic vs inductive logic
I was being serious. =(
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Re: deductive logic vs inductive logic
Induction has, in my opinion, done more for the world than deduction. In fact, a lot of deduction arguments (in scientific fields) are possible due to the existence of theoritical models. Models which were created using induction (statistics and/or probability).
While premises and axioms may be regarded as approximations and semi-truths, they are incredibly usefull in practice. Baye's theorem, for exemple, is godly usefull in practice. Last edited by Artic_counter; 02-12-2015 at 08:26 PM.. |
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Re: deductive logic vs inductive logic
I think it's a malformed question because we need to agree on the scope of which "logic" is applied.
I use deductive logic whenever I'm constructing a sentence or reading a sentence. I'm using deductive logic whenever I use any kind of mathematical construct (2+2=4). I use inductive logic every time I stand up and walk. I use inductive logic every time I choose to eat and eat food. Of course this is a bit nitpicky, but the point is that we need to agree on what qualifies as each kind of logic in this case and under what contexts. And even then I don't think that's really easy or even possible to do. Even if it wasn't a malformed question, ultimately I think it's a meaningless one as well. The foundation of all sciences is inductive reasoning. However, the models we use to understand and use science must utilize deductive reasoning. Why do we care which one has done more? What practical real world advantage can we gain by knowing the answer to this question?
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Re: deductive logic vs inductive logic
i dont really mean that. some of philosophy is useful.
but philosophers are rarely useful.
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That doesn't make your question any less useless or meaningless.
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What do you mean by "done more for the world"? advanced humanity technologically? given us a better understanding of reality, independent of technological application? made us happier?
The world doesn't give a shit if we're here or not. Logics are just methodologies we make up to make sense of reality. You'd need to define your criteria more specifically before you can talk about which system has done more, because otherwise the criteria are left to be interpreted by the unconscious biases of the reader and one person may not have the same criteria as you. |
02-13-2015, 08:45 PM | #11 |
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Re: deductive logic vs inductive logic
lets talk about criteria
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You're the one that brought up the question, and nobody here seems to think this question is meaningful or useful, so you should be the first one to refine your question before any of us can respond in any way.
And I still don't see the point in even discussing this, because you still haven't explained how this is even remotely practical in any sense of the word.
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It would be stupid of me to start a thread with a question such as "Are we more experiencing reality or existing in it?" and then when called out for being a dumb question no one can understand, then say "Okay, you guys tell me what this means then."
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or you could take what i say at face value, and maybe think of what criteria is relevant, or maybe break your argument down based on critera.
or you could be an asshole.
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You really should take some time reading into what other people are saying instead being totally nonsensical and expect us to play your shitty little game. Because I can play this game too. Completely ignoring your points to just repeat mine ad nauseum is easy.
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why is practicality necessary?
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Re: deductive logic vs inductive logic
Just to make things clear, proof by induction (i.e. mathematical induction) is actually a deductive argument and not an inductive argument.
It's a bit unfortunate that the terminology that's used doesn't fill well together. EDIT: Also, you can deductively prove that 2+2=4 if you define things well enough. Last edited by reuben_tate; 02-13-2015 at 10:22 PM.. |
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I just asked you to do that, when I said that we can't even answer your question until we know what "doing things for the world" means. If you want people to propose their own criteria, that's fine I guess, but they'll basically be re-phrasing your question for you and answering their own question themselves.
Also, I gave you examples off the top of my head. There are innumerable things someone could mean by "done things for the world", and are by no means limited to the examples I gave you. |
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Your responses simply restate what you originally said, and do not add anything new. I explained the problem with your original statement, and so you should either revise your original statement or explain the problem with my criticism, and you did neither.
Simply because I need a reason to care. If you told me that something existed but no one will ever be able to detect it or interact with it, then it doesn't affect my life in any way and so I have no use for something like that. In what way will knowing the answer to this question affect anyone's life?
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