TWG CLIX: Form your special exclusive groups now! - Game Thread

[FreezinIce]

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

I also got tilted because I can view myself doing this as wolf especially considering the last game I just did where I pretended to be the Seer.

this made my head hurt

[Precarious]

On reading through (in my case, it wasn't in real time, so the time proximity of the posts didn't really register), I saw it less as hard baiting and more as shitposting, since no one (Charu or anyone else) would actually reply to "are you a wolf" with anything other than sarcasm. It's actually more concerning to me that Haku defended those posts as baiting rather than the posts themselves, because they had no chance to actually a catch a wolf. It's like trying to fish with nothing on the hook.

After typing this and seeing what happened in thread before actually posting, I see Haku kind of admitted that it was shitposting, then suggested the questions were legitimate. The point remains; the reaction was overdefensive (and Haku later even overdefended further by trying to play Gradiant's original concern as justified). The finally admitting to the segment just being shitposting, by contrast, is a better look.

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As to Charu, I'll just reiterate again that it's extremely unlikely that he's anything other than what he's already claimed, because there's no payoff if he's a wolf or a serial killer. As soon as he's counterclaimed, his best case scenario is that the other person is mis/lynched first. If they flip bodyguard/asceticizer, then Charu would be unquestionably lynched the next day. It's not worth it for the wolves to trade a player (it very very rarely is), and it's suicide for the serial killer if he's counterclaimed on day 3 or earlier.

From the perspective of actual having that role, it was the right move for him to actually claim imo. The value of a confirmed townie is limited normally, because they're likely to be killed before end game, and its effect on the player pool is most limited early in the game (when there are the most players). However, Charu wouldn't be a normal confirmed townie; he's also bulletproof, which means that end game value is there so long as he isn't killed while bodyguarding. The loss of Charu as a possible night target is outweighed by his confirmation.

[XelNya]

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

b-b-b-bully.

[Precarious]

Also, east coast here. It is in fact past 4 am, so I'll see you guys tomorrow after I get some sleep.

[FreezinIce]

Originally Posted by Precarious

The loss of Charu as a possible night target is outweighed by his confirmation.

yeah this was what i was weighing in my mind when i made my first post, problem is he isnt confirmed and wont be for quite a while

[FreezinIce]

is it likely that hes town though? definitely. Confirmed? No. So if hes still hanging around and we havnt found the sk come day 3/4, i hope you dont pass him off as "confirmed" and not revisit him for lynching

[Gradiant]

I could see Charu lying about the role if it was just a possible role to have or not, not a case where we for sure have a role A or B.

[Charu]

Originally Posted by FreezinIce

is it likely that hes town though? definitely. Confirmed? No. So if hes still hanging around and we havnt found the sk come day 3/4, i hope you dont pass him off as "confirmed" and not revisit him for lynching

If that comes to fruition, don't think I won't fight for it. I'm pretty confident at that point however the SK will have little room to maneuver if all of our cards are played right and the wolves don't do anything fancy.

[Charu]

Originally Posted by Gradiant

I could see Charu lying about the role if it was just a possible role to have or not, not a case where we for sure have a role A or B.

I mean, I can certainly see a reason for me to do something super gutsy and lie about a role, but I'll be silent about that reason for now, hee hee hee

[Hakulyte]

Here's my meta in one picture.

[FreezinIce]

Krillin the eternal whipping boy

[ShadoWolfe]

Originally Posted by XelNya

You never find my posts funny, what the fuck is wrong with you?

You were making fun of Haku. Gradiant's always got a boner for jokes involving Haku lol it's kind of funny to watch.

I like what's going on so far, though. This FreezinIce/Gradi exchange is beautiful, and I'm actually thinking Gradiant is townier for it. FreezinIce looks bad from it, tbh, and I don't like what (he?)'s doing here. Will provide reasons shortly, but wanna ping FreezinIce first

[Gradiant]

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe

Gradiant's always got a boner for jokes involving Haku lol it's kind of funny to watch.

Wondering where you're getting this from

[ShadoWolfe]

No response from FreezinIce yet, but I really don't like this progression:

He goes from pushing on Gradiant for a pressure vote (reasoning: reaching),

Originally Posted by FreezinIce

ATTN Gradiant: I realize it's early on and you need somewhere to park your vote for the rest of the day, but don't vote people for being dumb, please.

Originally Posted by FreezinIce

anyone who goes after someone for not knowing about/shitposting about mechanics is reaching hard for a place to leave their vote

To backing off slightly, while "keeping note" when questioned why he's reacting to one vote:

Originally Posted by FreezinIce

keeping note of you keeping note and acting defensive when i made a big deal about it

to an all out defense mode:

Originally Posted by FreezinIce

iono gradiant im trying to crystallize what i was thinking when i made that callout post, its pretty much that i wanted to poke you in the eye because your post came off as one where people vote and let it get buried. i was interested to see what your response would be.

now im not saying that you were going to do that, but it didnt take much other than a gut feeling to compel me to do it.

Originally Posted by FreezinIce

didnt really think youd turn it 360 back in my face either so im not sure what to make of that atm

to hopping on the Haku wagon instammediately when pressured:

Originally Posted by FreezinIce

k good rule of thumb haku when your town dont act shady and lie about stuff you dont have to

Originally Posted by FreezinIce

this made my head hurt

It reads like wolf seeing an opening, realizing it wasn't easy, and getting out while he could, right onto the easier target.

FreezeInIce

[ShadoWolfe]

Originally Posted by Gradiant

Wondering where you're getting this from

K, that might've been hyperbolic and somewhat overstated, but you do seem to enjoy berating Haku/watching Haku get berated. Is that totally wrong to say?

[Hakulyte]

I have no reason to defend FreezeInIce even if I got defended.

So, I'm actually on the same page as you ShadoWolfe. (oh my god, we agree on something.)

[Charu]

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe

K, that might've been hyperbolic and somewhat overstated, but you do seem to enjoy berating Haku/watching Haku get berated. Is that totally wrong to say?

*Snerk*

[ShadoWolfe]

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

I have no reason to defend FreezeInIce even if I got defended.

So, I'm actually on the same page as you ShadoWolfe. (oh my god, we agree on something.)

You're still totally null, mind you. I just think it's easier to read you if you're given you a little time to play and be you, as opposed to Gradiant's critical pressure approach.

[FreezinIce]

Uh, I didn't even vote for him or call him suspicious at all. I called him out for bad voting. Which I still stand by for the record.

I think YOUR the one who's reaching with all these generalizations. pretty sure your seeing stuff where there's nothing and trying to prop me up to be some kind of fumbling wolf who tried to vote for someone and backed off when they turned on me. If you want me to break down every part of your post that's wrong, let me know and ill effort to do so. For now i'll take the easy way out and just say, your completely wrong.

[FreezinIce]

Its not even you trying to only read surface level and play it straight by voting for me. Your literally making stuff up. Its kind of annoying