Suspicious scores thread

[Xx{Midnight}xX]

Originally Posted by foxfire667

I'm just going to post this quote from the FFR site wide rules announcement in regards to this little argument going on:


So unless you want to appeal for a site wide rule change, alt accounts are perfectly fine.

geeeeee geeeeeeeeee

[DossarLX ODI]

icontrolyourworld is a frequent MP player, this is just a reference for what alts I know of.

Sheena Fujibayashi
Grimer
Princess Luna
Satsuru
Icyworld
RainbowDash
Amy Rose
Flonne Angel
Priere
Princess Cadence
Dark Magician Girl
Princess Daisy

Sources
http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...8607mplmao.JPG
http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...idayfriday.PNG
http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...0rickastly.JPG

[psychoangel691]

Originally Posted by xXOpkillerXx

You don't get my point I think; it might be motivating yes, but it Still slows others progress. Now stop it with the "It is not against the rules" argument, all I'm trying to do here is to have a good discussion on that topic and see why that rule is accepted so you won't get anywhere with that. Also, if anybody thinks i'm against AJ progress or whatever, I'm not, and I have no reason to think that either.

All you guys are saying is that it's not a big deal because he's only 1 out of so many players so it doesn't really matter. Yes, that is true, but what if many people start doing that too ?

Many people already do. It's not like this is something that's new. Then on top of that who knows how many other accounts/alts from the past could be "messing up ranks" Just play your best and people in the community are going to recognize your skill as a player.

Originally Posted by DossarLX ODI

icontrolyourworld is a frequent MP player, this is just a reference for what alts I know of.

Sheena Fujibayashi
Grimer
Princess Luna
Satsuru
Icyworld
RainbowDash
Amy Rose
Flonne Angel
Priere
Princess Cadence
Dark Magician Girl
Princess Daisy

Sources
http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...8607mplmao.JPG
http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...idayfriday.PNG
http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...0rickastly.JPG

If these are all on the high score boards then yeah they probably should be wiped out. That's a lot of alt accounts.

[TC_Halogen]

the whole "slowing progress" is completely irrelevant because as I stated before, I'm playing as if I was a different alias/user altogether. it's no different than a random user coming out from lurking and suddenly trashing the game when they're not active in the forums (see: evil smoke/star reaper, etc).

I'm not impeding anyone's progress, I'm advancing on my progress. I'm working hard to improve under a different style.

[xXOpkillerXx]

Originally Posted by TC_Halogen

the whole "slowing progress" is completely irrelevant because as I stated before, I'm playing as if I was a different alias/user altogether. it's no different than a random user coming out from lurking and suddenly trashing the game when they're not active in the forums (see: evil smoke/star reaper, etc).

I'm not impeding anyone's progress, I'm advancing on my progress. I'm working hard to improve under a different style.

Hmm I guess so. Thanks for not raging against me, I just hope you get my argument that you're still the same person on both accounts and have alot more experience than a new player so the "changing style" is not totally valid. Now lets end this.

[Fluvs]

[quote=DossarLX ODI;3830042]icontrolyourworld is a frequent MP player, this is just a reference for what alts I know of.

Sheena Fujibayashi
Grimer
Princess Luna
Satsuru
Icyworld
RainbowDash
Amy Rose
Flonne Angel
Priere
Princess Cadence
Dark Magician Girl
Princess Daisy

he has more that I know of but can't remember the names of it

[psychoangel691]

Originally Posted by xXOpkillerXx

Hmm I guess so. Thanks for not raging against me, I just hope you get my argument that you're still the same person on both accounts and have alot more experience than a new player so the "changing style" is not totally valid. Now lets end this.

I just have to say even though he's an experienced player he played like crap on downscroll when he started haha.

[Tarrik]

Originally Posted by xXOpkillerXx

you're still the same person on both accounts and have alot more experience than a new player so the "changing style" is not totally valid.

I have accounts for split, Index .. Whatever. But i'm no good at any of them, so i don't play on them often. AJ was probably as bad as me when i tried downscroll, but he wanted to better himself as a player. Where one player stops and says "lol guis that was fun" and plays maybe 40 songs, He doesn't give up and continues trying to BETTER that playstyle.

Starting a new playstyle is similar to starting the game fresh, in my opinion. It takes time and dedication, you will not be amazing at it right from the start. Either will a new player, at any style they choose. The difference is AJ continued to improve, where others would fall off.

Experience doesn't have much to do with anything here. New players may not know certain aspects of the game or what not, but that information is available if seeked, or asked.

[TC_Halogen]

Originally Posted by psychoangel691

I just have to say even though he's an experienced player he played like crap on downscroll when he started haha.

then: best score - 7-6-0-2 on BB Euro (huuuuurrrr????)
now: [Oni] + SDG on three 75+?

haulin'

[xXOpkillerXx]

Originally Posted by Tarrik

Experience doesn't have much to do with anything here. New players may not know certain aspects of the game or what not, but that information is available if seeked, or asked.

Was referring to patterns knowledge, speed, etc.. The only thing he loses when doing so is the reading ability. There's no need to argue more, thank you.

[gnr61]

this is seriously upsetting me slightly lol. there was never anything clearly stated against having a second account for a second style; people do this ALL THE DAMN TIME in my experience and no one cares. completely obliterating the countless hours of effort put in by somebody who plays the game honestly and ardently (which, by the way, are things we should be FIGHTING for in a slowly weakening community) for such a minor goddamn thing as offsetting some people's ranks by one in a commonly accepted fashion is just plain stupid and a little offensive to me. this should never have even been considered imo.

[xXOpkillerXx]

Originally Posted by gnr61

this is seriously upsetting me slightly lol. there was never anything clearly stated against having a second account for a second style; people do this ALL THE DAMN TIME in my experience and no one cares. completely obliterating the countless hours of effort put in by somebody who plays the game honestly and ardently (which, by the way, are things we should be FIGHTING for in a slowly weakening community) for such a minor goddamn thing as offsetting some people's ranks by one in a commonly accepted fashion is just plain stupid and a little offensive to me. this should never have even been considered imo.

Ok, Plan started that, I followed the discussion because I wanted to debate on it, now I said it's ok, why do you even post this, why do you get so angry when it's not even related to you, just why man...

[TC_Halogen]

Originally Posted by xXOpkillerXx

Was referring to patterns knowledge, speed, etc.. The only thing he loses when doing so is the reading ability. There's no need to argue more, thank you.

oh god no, haha. My muscle memory does not convert AT ALL for downscroll. I know this because I sat there playing Frictional Nevada on downscroll for nearly two hours and picked up blocks on the two 32nd bursts in the intro and the entry into the jumptrill wall at like 700, then I played it on upscroll and Alt+F4'd after to make sure the score didn't go through, and my blocks did not exist at all on upscroll.

My muscle memory does not convert whatsoever -- otherwise, files that I play a lot, or files that I have created, would be easy AAAs for me. Take Faint Breath as a huge example. I sightread AAA'd Faint Breath on upscroll because it's my own chart and it was created/tested under that particular style. However, my downscroll score is over 20g, despite having the muscle memory from internal testing and knowing the song because of how I charted it. Muscle memory didn't convert for me at all, haha.

EDIT: thank you, Puppet. glad to see someone understands that i'm not doing it with malicious intent - my goal isn't to knock people off the leaderboards, it's to use the stats as a measure of progress.

[bmah]

I get the feeling that this whole topic started simply out of spite and not for the purpose of any real productivity. I never and still don't think making alts for a different playing style is a crime.

And with that being said, I should ask Icy if any of his alts had specifications to playing style before mass wiping the aformentioned list. It wouldn't be fair to wipe the accounts that would legitimately be used for other playing styles. The excess alts would have the scores wiped however.

[xXOpkillerXx]

Originally Posted by TC_Halogen

EDIT: thank you, Puppet. glad to see someone understands that i'm not doing it with malicious intent - my goal isn't to knock people off the leaderboards, it's to use the stats as a measure of progress.

Lol, I should Reeeally have PM'd you about it I think. Btw, no one ever said you had bad intentions, I've always been speaking generally, using you as an example. I don't get why you must point it out since I don't think anybody thought "AJ wants to mess up with the scoreboards". My bad if I didn't mention muscle memory, even though it is pretty much related with how well you can read that pattern.

[psychoangel691]

Alright took care of the list on the OP for starters other than someone I want to look into a bit further. The Icy accounts I'm going to have to I guess have a chat with him because there are a lot of players that have an alt account that is not being wiped so I think it's only fair to allow him to keep one of his alts at least, but yeah that's way too many to have all over the scoreboards.

Edit: There's a lot of people on the accounts to look into section too. I'll see what we can do about figuring those out.

[Guest15937]

http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/....php?level=281

iBanned-somehow gets 10,000 perfects on vrofl

http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/....php?level=959

I'm not even going to bother listing everyone, there's 100+ people here who have obviously hacked/botted scores

http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...php?level=1214

Another 50+ with hacked/botted scores

[YoshL]

Originally Posted by Guest15937

http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/....php?level=281

iBanned-somehow gets 10,000 perfects on vrofl

http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/....php?level=959

I'm not even going to bother listing everyone, there's 100+ people here who have obviously hacked/botted scores

http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...php?level=1214

Another 50+ with hacked/botted scores

holy fuccen hell lmfao how did this happen

[qqwref]

levelstats_raw still shows blacklisted scores, nothing special, we can move on now.

And I'd just like to point out that downscroll is only a different way of reading, the physical aspects of hitting notes are completely unchanged.

[Untimely Friction]

Originally Posted by YoshL

holy fuccen hell lmfao how did this happen

Did a simple google search for something very obvious and got results on how it happened quite quick. All relevant info sent to Velo, if its not enough for him to fix it rankings are fked.