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Pseudo-intellectuals
Not really a serious thread but I wanted to know if anyone knows of any "fake" intellectuals like this guy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ak5Lr3qkW0
I love listening to this guy's nonsense dribble and delusions, and I want more. A while back in the chit chat board I posted a thread full of videos of idiots. This time, I want people who think they're smart and to someone that doesn't know what's going on sounds smart, but actually isn't. In other words, I'm looking more for "Every object in spacetime includes the entirety of spacetime as a state-transition syntax according to which its next state is created." rather than "A painting had a painter, a watch had a watchmaker, therefore creation must have a creator."
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Re: Pseudo-intellectuals
define what distinguishes "real" intellectualism from "fake" intellectualism
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Re: Pseudo-intellectuals
"sounds smart, but actually isn't" is too vague, anyone can apply this label to anyone they disagree with
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Re: Pseudo-intellectuals
It's a loose definition, but basically I'm looking for people similar to the guy I linked.
Someone who "uses big words" but is usually wrong or doesn't actually understand what he's saying.
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okay, you're still not using precise language
by "big words" you mean rare words, since "prig" is objectively a small word but it's a rare word and has nuanced meanings. you also probably don't just mean rare words but academic words, since I don't know what kind of smartness you think this person is striving for but I doubt it's the kind that invokes a lot of small-but-rare words to even talk about people who are "fake intellectuals" you need to first make clear what you mean by "real" intellectuals, and you haven't done that. otherwise, you're asking us to do a lot of inferential work by trying to draw a contrast between people who are "actually smart", which is super vague and probably not discernable from your writing. of course, people can think they know what you mean merely because they accept what you've concluded, but that's the same kind of false-agreement that happens when people say "[insert president] is ruining the country" and disagree for entirely different reasons. "every object in spacetime includes the entirety of spacetime as a state-transition syntax according to which its next state is created" is not even that wordy of a sentence; he's asserting that the objects of spacetime include spacetime as a system that creates rules that guide transitions between states. I don't think this makes sense, but you're being unclear about how you think this wording is being used to "sound" smart, or what you mean by "smart", and you haven't established how you can draw that motive. |
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dude I could spend time figuring out exactly what i want but this is a casual thread where im asking for entertainment material i dont think this is all necessary
if you have anything that's even remotely close to what I'm looking for just post it
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Edit: Though if you're looking for something hilariously pseudo-intellectual and cringe-worthy, you could always try watching this.
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I want people who think they're brilliant but are actually full of shit. are you really gonna pull this card on me right now
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What would you think of this?
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"are you really" is a form of rhetorical dismissal that sets up a reply chain where the next reply is something that question's the sayer's competence without actually rebutting the claim, such as "wow" or "you're an idiot" or "you must be trolling."
anyway, you did give a rebuttal to essentially the same statement, which was: "I felt the audience here would be better judges of who is actually smart versus who is trying to be smart and isn't." now, if you think we have better judgment of what "smart" is, please tell me why you think my first response to you was not an exercise of that judgment because it is, in fact. I do think we have a more precise idea of what "smart" means here, and I don't think my idea of "smart" has anything to do with how you're defining it, which is why I asked you to be more clear about what you mean. you are in other words reacting against people exercising the same criteria you sought out. the only way I could see anyone being "pseudo intellectual" is if they were trying to feign academic credentials, but chris langan doesn't seem to be doing that. |
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I wouldn't say you are doing a bad thing by pointing out the nuances about the word 'intellectual', Arch0wl.
However, I would say your tone is too condescending. I suggest using a more nuanced tone as well, or making your point in another way. |
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I consider a "real" intellectual to be someone whose work is meaningful and contributes to the academic community. I wish I could just say "anyone whose work isn't stupid" because I want to leave open ideas of value outside of this scope, but this is the only description I can think of that accurately and descriptively divides the two groups. I want people that talk nonsense or are wrong about what they think they know, but not someone who you could immediately dismiss as an idiot. I'm talking about someone who could fool idiots into thinking they were smart. Deepak Chopra for example, is on the grey line between these two boundaries, as the things he says can easily be shown to be ridiculous, but he is successful at convincing millions that he is an expert.
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ITT pseudo-intellectuals
but gj Arch this thread sucks and you've done a fantastic job explaining why |
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all i wanted for christmas was to listen to nutjobs
santa must hate me
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I believe this is more along the lines of what you were looking for? Merry Christmas. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qd1cqRu0mdw Arch0wl's pretty much got this thread summed up though, lol.
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Re: Pseudo-intellectuals
Honestly Arch is right, what the hell is this shit doing in Critical Thinking.
Linking stupid shit that has no factual basis is basically the exact opposite of this forum's purpose.
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I wanted to make conversation first, but that seems not possible now, so I'll say it here.
Isn't it distasteful to gain pleasure from listening to badly structured logic in the first place? What kind of pleasure do you derive from that? Because it feels good to be intelligent yourself? Long ago I used to lead debates, so I think I can assert this: more often than not, people dismiss someone's point as unintelligent when they don't properly understand it. It's very easy to misinterpret someone's point because something is ill-defined or people misunderstand the fundament of someone's argument. Because of this, it's necessary to be properly nuanced, or you become illusioned about your own intelligence. |
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Generally you spot ~pseudo-intellectual~ talks when the speaker use a convoluted syntax to voice complete platitudes or banalities.
And it's not because you intuitively think they're "showing off" (well they ~maybe~ do but that's not the problem), but because their speech is way to complex compared to the blatant plainness of their idea. It's really hard to prove somebody is actually talking nonsense. Hegel is nonsense, Heidegger is nonsense, and so on. Generally you have to go deeper and directly talk with the person, or actually try to figure out how this could make sense for all I know, sorting out their train of thought and shit. I mean even Kant can seem completely hermetic at first, yet he's as clear as spring water. Now I don't know anything about Langan and I just know he's an autodidact, not a philosopher with academic recognition, but giving the benefit of the doubt is a completely free move.
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so, in short, I shouldn't have indulged my frustrations to the extent that it came out in text and I apologize. |
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