On the Removal of Crowdpleaser from Level Ranks

[One Winged Angel]

FCs achieved in the last 2-3 years could be investigated with the imager and blatantly DS'd FCs could be removed. I'm positive that at least 95% of the FCs are DS'd but no one's removed anything yet due to the 'joke' nature of the file.

[ilikexd]

Originally Posted by kmay

Done it is meaning FC. And just because its hard doesn't mean it should be moved. I see no reason that "oh vibrating that fast is hard" and like I've said. DDR has four pads but is played with two feet. I played index. I felt spread and one hand was cheating due to the use of 3/4 fingers.

Utilize your resources. And what god says that using your skill to obtain a score is cheating? You're not using a bot. Its your skill.

And bad js, is referring to the fact that I dont need to step a file to know how it plays. There are definitely some bad files and awkward patterns in songs all over FFR.

Just to say it again, I want it removed but for selfish reasons.

point by point,

Can you think of any other sections of any charts in this game, besides vROFL, that are intended only to be able to be FCd and not AAAd?

Again, vibrating that fast isn't "hard". It's just anatomically different than any other skill like one-handed trilling because it doesn't scale any way similarly.

The FFR community that plays hard charts is only doing so on spread, so I don't see the validity of your DDR/index analogy.

A double setup is almost unanimously regarded as cheating. But it would just be utilizing your resources.

An awkward pattern is nothing comparable to a 480 BPM trill. Semi-unrelated issue, I hate notion/connotation of "awkward pattern" because it implies the stepartist has done something wrong, when in reality it's just a pattern that is more difficult. But they are still all totally accomplishable as intended. A 480 BPM trill is in a whole other ballpark.

Originally Posted by SK8R43

It doesnt need to be aaa'd like i just mentioned. Rato and DP will never be AAAd as well and are still public.

Nothing needs to be AAAd. That a chart cannot be AAAd is not my argument for removing it from ranks.

Originally Posted by SK8R43

And lol no, it takes people hundreds of retries to get aaas ALOT easier than that, it just takes patience, that DOESNT mean its THAT hard.

That's a non sequitur. It doesn't logically follow that some people taking hundreds of tries to AAA easier charts means the CP trill isn't hard. The CP trill is the hardest part of any chart in the game, so unless you're using something even harder as a frame of reference, the trill in CP must be considered hard.

[TheSaxRunner05]

We can't tell the difference so the rank is meaningless. So it would be better off removed from rankings.

[kmay]

OWA how did you get the AAA?

[SK8R43]

No, it would be better off removed from the game period. If people are going to complain about ONE file being "too hard" then thats on them. Its just one damn file.


He overlayed :P

[ilikexd]

Originally Posted by kmay

OWA how did you get the AAA?

Overlay, as everyone else who has. Dossar's score is the best legit one. (actually I only know that samurai's, owa's, and tera's are overlayed, not sure about halogen's, sorry if I'm mistaken)

[ilikexd]

Originally Posted by SK8R43

No, it would be better off removed from the game period. If people are going to complain about ONE file being "too hard" then thats on them. Its just one damn file.

It's not the difficulty itself. RATO and DP are overall harder to score on, but I don't argue for their removal. It's the factor of what vibrating is and how fast you can physically do it. You cannot physically vibrate 480 BPM. You just can't. Moogy was smoking something when he stepped this, or just not caring/trying.

You can do the rolls in RATO. You can do the anchors. You can do the trills and vibratrill in DP. It's humanly possible.

Every single part of RATO and DP is doable as they are(arguably DP trill takes some luck but is at the speed that most players vibrate, not 480 BPM like CP). But since they throw fast stuff at you nonstop the charts end up producing worse scores.

[kmay]

Like I said I would like it gone so people stop placing me so damn high.


But I'm arguing the supportive aide because no one was.

[SK8R43]

I dont get what you are saying really. The trill HAS been aaad legit.
The trill HAS been fc'd legit as well. its humanly possible to do, maybe not to everyone but it IS possible.

lol kmay you have other scores that make you D6, just saying

[ilikexd]

Originally Posted by kmay

Like I said I would like it gone so people stop placing me so damn high.


But I'm arguing the supportive aide because no one was.

You mean placing you in a higher division than you think you should be in? They're demonstrably wrong because CP is one of two (I think?) files that stress vibrating and should in almost no way be used as a measure of overall FFR skill / divisional placement.

[One Winged Angel]

kmay who is placing you higher than you should be placed in tourneys based on a crowdpleaser score?

@Nathan, I'm pretty sure AJ set his left/right inputs to wider keys on his kb (caps lock and right shift?) and one hand trilled the 64ths

[TC_Halogen]

Originally Posted by ilikexd

Overlay, as everyone else who has. Dossar's score is the best legit one. (actually I only know that samurai's, owa's, and tera's are overlayed, not sure about halogen's, sorry if I'm mistaken)

My 2g run was overlay as well, yes.

[TheSaxRunner05]

Originally Posted by SK8R43

Its just one damn file.

Why isn't vRofl in the public ranks? It's just one file. If you can't AAA it, tough. That's on you.

[SK8R43]

Originally Posted by TheSaxRunner05

Why isn't vRofl in the public ranks? It's just one file. If you can't AAA it, tough. That's on you.

vrofl is a token, cp isnt
Moving a song to token ranks without it actually being a token shouldnt be happening.

[TheSaxRunner05]

Whimper wall then. It was released as a public song just like CP

[Plan_Bsk81127]

Originally Posted by One Winged Angel

For the record, swapping v1 in public ranks with the v2 in tokens is something I've advocated for quite a while, as well as v1 and v2 of Revo.

Pretty much fine with this being the outcome of the situation. Just name the current CP/Revo -> CP[Classic]/Revo[Classic] or something along those lines, just because I dont think V2 would fit them well after the switch. Not likely to happen, but if they were to be stuck in token ranks do it this way.

Im pretty much for it being stuck in tokens simply because I really dont like people overlaying CP, while it is technically not cheating, I still see it as cheating as you are using four fingers for two arrows repeating back and forth. Its a huge slap to the face to those who actually play the trill as is and vibrate through it, using overlay pmuch makes it play as a roll iirc if thats how it works, which is pretty cheap and BS FC/AAA. I really dont care if it stays or go, it will just always be annoying in my mind when I see people hyped about a good scored obtained with overlay, but that mindset will be there whether its public or in the token ranks haha.

[SK8R43]

Originally Posted by TheSaxRunner05

Whimper wall then. It was released as a public song just like CP

Scores didnt record on it, and it was only a one day thing,

[TheSaxRunner05]

Originally Posted by SK8R43

Scores didnt record on it, and it was only a one day thing,

Scores did record and they were in the ranks for weeks, and some people even got VRofl off it.

My point though is that the same arguments you are making can be applied to a file like whimper wall.

[xXOpkillerXx]

Originally Posted by TheSaxRunner05

Scores did record and they were in the ranks for weeks, and some people even got VRofl off it.

My point though is that the same arguments you are making can be applied to a file like whimper wall.

^ Said this a few pages ago.

You guys are defending a file that is retarded on every point; it's bad technically (this, if you disagree, I'm out of here), it's bad in terms of consistency (better change the file to only the wall...), it's bad in terms of lvlranks representation, and kmay you tell me I'm wrong for saying the file is bad and telling me to learn to argue. Are you serious. If you read my arguments, you would see that I explicitely mentioned that I'm not against the vibrating itself, I'm against the fact that you're defending a retardedly bad file. Put that trill somewhere where it makes sense, in a chart where the difficulty doesnt jump from 1 to 100 for 2 seconds for example, and I won't complain.

[ilikexd]

Yeah my argument is more focused on the impossibility of the trill, but the difficulty spike argument is also reasonable. I think it's the worst one in any chart.