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Old 08-5-2019, 08:36 PM   #41
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I'm just curious why the shooter is always a young white male
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Old 08-5-2019, 08:37 PM   #42
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Not as a complete dissuasion, I understand that gun ownership in the home can provide some sense of security and safety, just keep in mind that there is indeed a tradeoff here
There is a trade off on everything. Statistics aren't something I'm versed in well enough to argue, which is why I made my posts based on my own emotions.

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It's not black and white.
We can sit here and argue statistics and the logical approach all day, and I am very certain we'd arrive at the conclusion that guns are more bad than good. There are going to be people who make horrible use of something. You can only try to stop it if it's in your physical means of doing so.

But as someone who is never winning a physical encounter with my own physical strength, and wit alone, I'm happy that I have access to something like a weapon. It's a comfort and I'm responsible about it.

The shorthand is that everyone is arguing just logic and are allowing maybe just fear to dictate their choice. A responsible owner is going to keep it in a way that won't harm someone unless needed, and that's how I intend to be. I'm not gonna walk around waving the fucking thing, most people won't know it's there.

Shootings suck, fuck those people.
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But as someone who is never winning a physical encounter with my own physical strength, and wit alone, I'm happy that I have access to something like a weapon.
This is how I feel, I am smol weak little man also
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I'm just curious why the shooter is always a young white male
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Old 08-5-2019, 08:44 PM   #45
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yeah, at this point i don't have much but my intuition also, but my intuition says the opposite would occur :P
how so?
I don't see how that is feasible
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how so?
I don't see how that is feasible
ok by opposite i don't mean mass shootings would increase but that the decrease would be insignificant

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I'm just gonna be a good boy and stay inside and play/watch/discuss video games as humanely possible when I'm not obligated to be somewhere else.

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These shooters should find a hobby if their answer to (probably) some petty, ridiculous thing is to go somewhere with large amounts of people and start shooting it up. Sometimes the shooter even commits suicide, so it's a never-ending "what was even the point?"

USA has it bad, and it's been getting worse over the years. First it was only schools, but now they're happening in everyday locations, like Walmart.

I'm no gun expert by any means, so I don't know what solution could even be made with this problem. Perhaps they could go the way of what most other countries do and just make it next to impossible to get a gun. I'm sure that's already been expressed multiple times anyways, lol.
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racism, white supremacy, even access to guns.

those things don't cause shootings.

you have to be on a crusade to shoot people.
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I'm just curious why the shooter is always a young white male
The white part is cause America is mostly white people
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racism, white supremacy, even access to guns.

those things don't cause shootings.

you have to be on a crusade to shoot people.
people will always, always, always slip through the cracks because humans

yeah, you're right, but you're proposing an impossible solution
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racism, white supremacy, even access to guns.

those things don't cause shootings.

you have to be on a crusade to shoot people.
yeah but that crusade is often spurred by the desire for a white ethnostate or some other racist bullshit, and you can't really go on said crusade if you CAN'T ACCESS GUNS.

I firmly believe gun ownership is going to be part of the US for the rest of its existence but any time I see these bullshit arguments my depression worsens.
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Nukes don't kill people, people kill people!
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Lets not make laws against murdering people. If murdering is illegal, criminals will still murder!

Like...come on now. This is one of the saddest and weakest objections to a claim that civilian gun ownership is generally bad and shouldn't be allowed except for hunting, sport shooting, and farm protection.

"But criminals will still get guns!" I have a few things to say about this.

1. Funny how all the places with more gun controls don't have a major gun crime problem like the USA does. So controls on access to guns, which you say criminals will just ignore, isn't resulting in criminals doing all kinds of gun things anywhere else.

2. I need to go find the actual study in writing, but I know a study was done where they went and interviewed a whole bunch of convicted criminals in prison for armed robbery with guns. These are all people who did it, admit they did it, were tried and convicted, so there's no issue with them claiming innocence or trying to do anything to get them off easier. They were all asked, among other things "Why did you use a gun in this robbery, why not something else?" and the -overwhelming- answer was "In case the homeowner had a gun." So you having guns in your home for 'protection' has the -direct- effect of making criminals MORE likely to use guns themselves, hugely increasing the risk that somebody dies from gun violence.

3. Limits on civilian access to guns would also depress criminal access to guns by reducing the total number of guns available, reducing the market for guns both legal and illegal, and it's not like anybody is suggesting "Just ban guns" and call it a day as a one-step process. Among other things the penalty for using guns in crimes could be increased etc to act as a further deterrent.

Fundamentally though, nothing is -ever- going to fix America's gun problem. The problem is guns, but the cause of the problem is intrinsic to American culture and the people in power have a vested interest in never addressing or changing the root causes of the problem, so it will never actually get better.
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yeah, you're right, but you're proposing an impossible solution
Seemingly impossible.

Maybe I'm an optimist, but it sounds better than one that won't work.

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yeah but that crusade is often spurred by the desire for a white ethnostate or some other racist bullshit, and you can't really go on said crusade if you CAN'T ACCESS GUNS.
You can't make guns inaccessible.

Look, I'm all for gun control, especially perfectly reasonable screening etc. But it's just a bandaid and a pat on the back, while the wound is still there.

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guns dont cause things like this to happen, it just lowers the entry requirement so now any dumbass can do stupid things with a gun.

if it was harder to do this shit (e.g. no guns) then more people who would be willing to do something like this would likely question themselves and ideally stop, or they would be dumb and be terrible at making a plan and end up getting stopped earlier

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Lets not make laws against murdering people. If murdering is illegal, criminals will still murder!
laws aren't there to prevent people from doing things that are bad, they're there to punish people for doing said thing anyways

i would like to believe that even with a law saying murder is fine or w/e then the rate of murders in actually developed areas with intelligent people would barely increase, but realistically humanity is gross
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I'm just curious why the shooter is always a young white male
theres gangs in other places in the US, of predominately african-american people, where there are probably far far more killings than the amount in a school shooting, its just not brought to public attention

whats better for a news article, reporting that "a bunch of bright, young students with big futures ahead of them were suddenly...", or to report "a bunch of gang members were found dead on the intersection between 12th and 18th street.. locals say that they were known for selling drugs, suspects appear to be rival gang x that wears a different color of diaper"

as to why its always a white male, i think they just have different culture lol.. like for example, ive noticed in most cases of school shootings and whatnot, they go into a whole backstory about how the perpetrator was abused, had a horrible childhood etc

yet when someone from a different race has a horrible upbringing, abuse like that, etc, most likely they wont even be going to school in the first place lol, imagine some young black boi who has no mom or dad so just hangs around on streets all day, people like that arent gonna be in school to carry out a shooting lol

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theres gangs in other places in the US, of predominately african-american people, where there are probably far far more killings than the amount in a school shooting, its just not brought to public attention

whats better for a news article, reporting that "a bunch of bright, young students with big futures ahead of them were suddenly...", or to report "a bunch of gang members were found dead on the intersection between 12th and 18th street.. locals say that they were known for selling drugs, suspects appear to be rival gang x that wears a different color of diaper"

as to why its always a white male, i think they just have different culture lol.. like for example, ive noticed in most cases of school shootings and whatnot, they go into a whole backstory about how the perpetrator was abused, had a horrible childhood etc

yet when someone from a different race has a horrible upbringing, abuse like that, etc, most likely they wont even be going to school in the first place lol, imagine some young black boi who has no mom or dad so just hangs around on streets all day, people like that arent gonna be in school to carry out a shooting lol
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