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1. The best files in the game are subjective. I'd still hold Twister is the best file in the game, or Teni, but TBH I can't enjoy one of those Cosmo files. They're lost on me no matter how goid they are.
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2. Your example is a hypocracy. If it was originally gated behind an "FSO" AAA it should have stayed thrre as others to enjoy it had to unlock it first.
No hypocrisy. The token requirement didn't change, the file was just made public because it was enjoyed by the community so much that we demanded it be public instead of gated behind an FSO AAA. Miku is an odd case since it had already been publicly available for about a week before being tokenized. Surely, if that hadn't been the case, it would still be there today.

My point was simply that the game's best content, current example be damned, should not be walled off to the majority of the player base.

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3. Quality of life changes uprooting old problems is that it is? See the Fiora rework in League as an example. We also removed Legacy files from ranks, should we have left them to torment players because people like Halogen had to do them for better ranks?
I can't relate to your example since I started League in Season 7, but legacy files were NOT removed from ranks.. unless you mean in the sense that Leaderboards only account for top 15 which made grinding legacy files for avrank meaningless. They were simply removed from default view when playing the game so that new players don't run into lower quality content and get deterred from the game.

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4. The difficulty can be reinterpreted as a tool to set goals rather than making it an ability checklist. Sure I CAN go get 250 averages on this song, or I can go AAA this easy file, or I can go AAA and get Heavy. I'd think the change makes it easier yes. But it doesn't need to be that hard just because it's been done by others in past.
You're missing my point. It's not that I'm grasping onto nostalgia and new players should be forced to endure the same hardships as me, it's that there is literally nothing implicitly wrong with the requirement, so it does not need to be changed.

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Also, I understand your sentiment in the end of your post, but I'd argue it should have never been what it is in the first place. But I dunno if 100 was intended to be the max so I dunno.

Btw list format was to make it easier to type thru my phone.
Token Whore was probably intended to be the final skill token, but the community wanted more. I think a case could be made for creating a series of Achievement Tokens based around the concept of total tokens earned, and your any-100 requirement would fit well there. --I just can't justify overwriting the Token Whore requirement when it's still attainable by normal means.
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Token Whore is one of the few times I feel like changing the requirements is unnecessary because of, as said by others, the memey nature of the file and the specificity of the 99 tokens (one could replace the five worst tokens to get like Oni or Nainairoeprndjehshewhatever with easier newer tokens). Also, the fact that recent changes in the game don't affect this token at all makes it different from, say, Here We Go, where 90% FC today is still much, MUCH more time consuming than 99% FC was back when it came out (if we still have ~450 songs I'd try for HWG but nowadays? Fuck that)
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Token Whore is one of the few times I feel like changing the requirements is unnecessary because of, as said by others, the memey nature of the file and the specificity of the 99 tokens (one could replace the five worst tokens to get like Oni or Nainairoeprndjehshewhatever with easier newer tokens). Also, the fact that recent changes in the game don't affect this token at all makes it different from, say, Here We Go, where 90% FC today is still much, MUCH more time consuming than 99% FC was back when it came out (if we still have ~450 songs I'd try for HWG but nowadays? Fuck that)
HWG is 95% fcs, so you can miss about 100ISH and still get it. Which is good since theres ALOT of files in game now that not many people are going to fc non mash. no point to mash since the game isnt combo based anymore haha.
But yeah, definitely a hell of a lot better than 99%, which was insane.
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HWG was nerfed because of the leverank conversion from GT to Raw. A brilliant example of a token requirement change that needed to happen.
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True, but i think also because a huge amount of harder songs are in game now so it would be extremely difficult to get 99%. I love HWG but will never get it XD
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Im sad mashing for HWG isnt an option anymore, that was the only reason I got it haha. Wish they kept it 99% so it'd be more prestigious that I have it XD
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I'm not. Mashing is so pointless in a rhythm game. The whole point is to get good scores, not randomly hit arrows to FC songs haha. 99% right now would be atrocious
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90 is atrocious. Make it 85, ok thanks.
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95 is the req. attainable by mid-d6 with some dedication. That's always kinda been the goal for that token.
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Unless youre me and can PA up to like 96 but ALWAYS get misses. lmao
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My main complaint about HWG is how getting it by 2008 standards is, like, not even 25% today? But that's a problem with the very nature of the game and token, so IDEK what would make my booboos feel better
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We were gonna add more FC milestone tokens to fill the gap as it got larger. Should probably think about making some new ones soon.
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He was talking to SK8R43

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