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Re: What keeps you using 3.95?
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anyways sm6 is going to be a complete overhaul in a different engine, so expect better online functionality, it wont be sm5 or 3.95 so the timing will be different again but hey who cares, we all know how you guys are going to react already Quote:
like I said, its like comparing beatmania to lr2 the timing is different and you just have to get use to it, but sticking to an inferior broken version just blows my mind, even 3.9+ makes more sense
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05-27-2016, 10:30 AM | #142 |
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Re: What keeps you using 3.95?
yeah you nailed it
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Re: What keeps you using 3.95?
At the risk of wasting my time, being that I know we absolutely do not get along:
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- You're not in the competitive scene, and this is incredibly insulting to people who are using the StepMania platform to play at exceptionally high levels. Remember which community you're trying to talk to when making these points. - I'm going to make a pretty fair comparison for those who are so adapted to 3.95 to those who play FPS-games at a reasonably high level. When a FPS game has been around for a while and involves competitive play against other players, you'll likely have adapted settings for your particular machine that you will not change so long as you don't have to. You're not going to randomly change your mouse sensitivities/keybinds/monitor after being adapted to them for years, because it's going to inhibit your play. Those who play StepMania at these levels likely have adapted themselves to a particular noteskin, a speedmod specifically for that theme, basic modifications/optimizations to those themes, and even as far as customizable resolutions (as MinaciousGrace has said). What seems like a slight change to you is not going to be the same as someone who has played in a specific environment at their peak level, especially at the competitive level. I can vouch for the fact that MinaciousGrace has put a retarded amount of time in optimizing his play. - Another reason worth keeping 3.95 as a build is that players have the ability to use the editor to place 192nd notes. Players who only specialize in pad play won't realize the importance of that hyper-precise quantize, whereas keyboard stepartists use them frequently for accenting in a way that is negligibly accurate within the timing window. Also keep in mind that, while broken, it was still more than usable enough by most players to create custom noteskins and themes that were also usable with the experimental online features. Timing is key here. - Very few players in this community, if anyone at all, took well to StepMania 4 when it came out, and the gap in time between StepMania 4 and the introductory development to sm-ssc was rather large; what were players supposed to do? Completely change their environment to something so incredibly unoptimized and different (and in my personal experiences at the time, something incredibly unstable?) The community is not out to insult the developers in the slightest, but you need to realize: it's going to take an extremely smooth transition to get players from 3.95 over to 5 out of their own volition, because they've been using it for so long and likely have no -real- reason to switch since they can play just about all of the competitive content out there (that, and most content creators have embraced the fact that these players exist and won't step proprietarily for SM5 in the first place). Quote:
But honestly... seeking questions from the community was a good start by you guys, but the consistently vehement disagreements and ad hominem towards this particular community is really stupid, considering the fact that you guys came to us with questions. If you want to be irritated towards us making stupid requests out of our own volition (not that it's the most advised thing to do, but whatever), that's fine -- but when we're coming up with what we have as concerns within our particular community and you treat us like our opinions do not matter, you can't really expect to be received well. |
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And I'll say this again and again: I think it is great that someone is working on SM to make it the best game it can be. I'm happy that you guys are making the game accommodate your personal preferences in what you would like to see in the game, and that other people automatically switch over because it matches their preferences too. Keep up the great work, and don't let anyone else hold you back from what you want to do.
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05-27-2016, 12:12 PM | #145 |
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Re: What keeps you using 3.95?
its a spiritual ting
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05-27-2016, 12:29 PM | #146 |
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Re: What keeps you using 3.95?
Damn kids
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Re: What keeps you using 3.95?
Why can't scores and fun go together?
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Re: What keeps you using 3.95?
I remember a time when stepmania was about having fun AND getting scores
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Re: What keeps you using 3.95?
I even have fun watching streams and videos of other people getting scores
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05-27-2016, 02:41 PM | #150 |
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Re: What keeps you using 3.95?
how dare people play for scores HOW DARE THEY
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MinaciousGrace made an SM5 theme that crashes SM5 the next time you start up if you're not on windows. If that's the level of your theme modifying skill and needs, you should ask a dev to do it for you so that you don't cause problems for other users. I've already dealt with two reddit threads from people who needed to know how to manually modify their preferences just to be able to start up stepmania again. Quote:
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05-27-2016, 06:02 PM | #152 | |
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and also there are users who have just as stupid crashing problems with your base build and also that it's not my job to provide a well-tested cross platform product that is bug free and available for use by anyone, it's your job my theme is for me because it's what i want and the key difference here is i didn't make a thread on ffr asking why people don't use my theme before instantly flaming them for lodging legitimate concerns |
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05-27-2016, 06:19 PM | #153 |
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Actually lets cut the circuitous bullshit and get the real heart of the issue here. This thread isn't about the keyboard user base, providing feedback, improving the client to meet user demands or pointless shit-flinging at people's development skills outside of their area of expertise. I'm a self taught R programmer and my area isn't in game development, it's in statistical computing. If you spent a week writing a program in R to generate long term population estimates in sub-saharan countries I'd find it just as fucking laughably pathetic as I'm sure you find whatever I put into transcendence.
But you're aren't wrong. If my theme-ing capabilities were so dog shit I should have gone to devs and requested a litany of features relevant to keyboard gameplay multiple times over the course of the last half decade. Oh wait. I did. As did many other players. All of whom you have entirely ignored. You just don't seem to get that in the entire development lifetime of sm5 the collective development team has failed to deliver a single feature within the client that would be worth the transition to sm5. Nobody in this thread thinks 3.95 is the perfect and many of them have already spent years making small edits to their themes that you would ask them to reconstruct on a new client that offers absolutely nothing in terms of features to your players. But this thread isn't about any of that. This thread is about you, and your pathetic insecurities. This thread is about you needing to validate the time and effort into developing sm5. This thread is about your need to be heralded as the savior of the game by the community because for all this pompous jackassery and the logical flagellation that you have been throwing at everyone here your major fear is that maybe we're all right. Maybe for all the effort and time and vitriol you have put into the development of sm5 you have produced nothing of note. You took a gameplay focused client and you forced your concepts of aesthetics onto everyone and entirely ignored the gameplay facet; not because it's not important, but because you just don't know what the fuck you're doing. The fact that the majority of this community rejects sm5 isn't a reflection on our incapacity to identify a usable product, it's a reflection on your incapacity to produce one. The fact of the matter is if you produced something worth using, we would be using it. But you didn't. Because you are a shitty programmer, an even shittier developer, and an even shittier person. And this entire fuck-assery of a thread is your flailing about as you slowly come to terms with it. The only mark you will leave on this world is your utterly insignificant carbon footprint. Your entire life will be obsoleted by a handful of cattle in wyoming and undone by a few fucking square meters of shrubbery in scotland. good fucking day, sir Last edited by MinaciousGrace; 05-27-2016 at 06:33 PM.. |
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Re: What keeps you using 3.95?
And there we have it. MinaciousGrace can't even clarify his problem with resolutions after I've made two different attempts to address it.
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Re: What keeps you using 3.95?
Uh.. c-c-chill o-out man...
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as hostile as minacious is, and the last few sentences made which could have just been left out, he did address his own problems. you nitpicked an entire post made from halogen and targeted minacious, about an aspect ratio complaint. ignoring the entirety of what the whole post was about. and you have been 'nitpicking', in this sense, since the beginning and eventually caused your own degradation. Ignoring your own faults and pinpointing only the matters that you want, and never address the other points made. yea there are some 'attacks' which should be filtered out and honestly never made and you shouldn't really have to read but you know they're petty, and are using them to fuel an old feud.
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05-27-2016, 07:51 PM | #158 |
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Re: What keeps you using 3.95?
I offered a whole bunch of insight, and you literally... just tunneled into the point that you wanted to pull apart, rather than taking any sort of criticism.
(p.s. the 192nd note being on SM5 doesn't help your cause when you're trying to switch people from 3.95 to it, by the way.) You guys just refuse to listen to anything that's being said, and you're being borderline insulting in the process. This thread should just be locked; it's serving no purpose anymore. |
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Re: What keeps you using 3.95?
please dont lock, i've quite enjoyed the read
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Re: What keeps you using 3.95?
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so it's a very easily fixed problem - just remove the line that says WaveOut
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