CXLVIII - TWG to the Turnabout (GAME THREAD)

[YoshL]

btw, psychoangel did pop in thread for a bit, but #invisible

she gone

[storn42]

Originally Posted by YoshL

4 -- Vendetta21 -- storn42 (26), Charu (114), YoshL (138), reuben_tate (26)
3 -- DaBackpack -- thesunfan (159), choof (76), botchi246 (26)
3 -- Red Blaster -- rzr (45), psychoangel691 (3), DaBackpack (59)

do you think dabackpack would self-pres vote another wolf, or a town with a chance of getting lynched?

just for the sake of playing devils advocate...

We know that both V and DBP were PRs. he would be self-presing by voting for the vanilla woof. if he could successfully lynch the VW, he would be looking more towny, and also wouldn't have lost one of their PRs.

Devil's advocate aside, its much more likely that RB was the target of the +0.1 vote and he was hoping someone would join on last second.

[YoshL]

final words for rzr, you're still calling actions suspicious, and when making statements about why those actions are suspicious, it's a very generalized reasoning.

I'd love it if there was that one step further. when you say:

- I know it's not hard to push a lynch on me
- therefore when I see someone (Red) using flimsy logic it makes me think they're looking to push an easy lynch

you're making very general statements, without looking at any intentions of any motivations behind pushing you. Is it possible that people genuinely think that you're scummy (again) and are pushing you in that way? Try to look at things in a case by case basis, because a general "suspicion because they're pushing me and i'm easy to push on" isn't very convincing. (of course, again, after you've finished reading the whole thread, we're replying pretty disjointedly right now) because given the context of the previous happenings, your reads or reasoning don't really stand up. Give a "why is this player specifically targetting me at this point in the game? why not d1, or why not this other person?" right now, it's more of "these bunch of people haven't talked so let's get them talking right now", which should hopefully become apparant once you've caught up.

[YoshL]

Originally Posted by storn42

just for the sake of playing devils advocate...

We know that both V and DBP were PRs. he would be self-presing by voting for the vanilla woof. if he could successfully lynch the VW, he would be looking more towny, and also wouldn't have lost one of their PRs.

Devil's advocate aside, its much more likely that RB was the target of the +0.1 vote and he was hoping someone would join on last second.

i'm trying to disagree with this but this is definitely a consideration. It's kinda hard to see the motivations as of right now, but i guess rzr's reasoning behind suspecting who he is was incomplete and based in bad assumptions.

i still think that rb looks ok right now, and that out of the active posters from d1, i'd probably look at xiz a little bit more heavily. regardless of how frustrated he made me, and regardless of how i'm over that, it still left a sour taste in my mouth, and seriously felt like a stubborn scum xiz trying to troll me, more than a town xiz. There was that whole emotional thing at the end of d1 but i've said it like 20 times i'm not factoring it into my reads. also it feels weird to be searching for all 3 wolves in the inactive section of the posters. It's kinda possible given the roster, but it feels weird at this point that xiz has dropped off.

i'm ranting and my thoughts probably aren't very cohesive right now

[psychoangel691]

Originally Posted by YoshL

btw, psychoangel did pop in thread for a bit, but #invisible

she gone

I also posted that I would give thoughts this afternoon/evening. Just finished a practice exam for school which I failed miserably no less.

[Red Blaster]

Originally Posted by rzr

you'd be sheeping their votes if you jumped on it now. to start you had a reason to question me and I answered to it, how you take that is up to you. But if you, Red, were a wolf right now why would you toss your vote on me? wouldn't you want it to have some more traction so it didn't appear like you were hopping on a wagon (albeit, one that you created).

I hope that makes more sense.

It doesn't.
It's still my vote from D1 carried over into D2..if anything the other people would be "sheeping" me.

[choof]

I don't want to keep posting slank bullshit but I'm probably not going to do much from here on out

[botchi246]

I vote for the last wolf to concede. Your doom is imminent

[Xiz]

Originally Posted by rzr

I'm not rereading 1,000 posts, I'm asking for the time to catch up on the hundred or so that happened in my absence

How can I give you an informed opinion here when I don't have half the info and some of what I do have isn't in context to the way it occurred yet?

How can your opinions possibly can be considered valid when you won't even spend the time to read the thread?
It's kinda like saying I read only the first 4 posts this game, and literally nobody else has posted anything so they are all wolves.



After thinking about the last one after a day break it's most likely rzr or psycho.

[rzr]

on the note of slank I'd like to mention something: I'm doing an analysis slowly, but I usually keep a spare tab open an f5 frequently to see up-to-date thread talk. I am currently undergoing a difficult process of being forced to move, and with less than 30 days notice I'm trying really hard to find a job/apartment. I also have to move from Maine to CT/RI, so it's not like I'm sitting back able to walk down the street and fill out apps. I will, as I always do, put forth the best energy and focus I have to this game that's why I'm here. Just a heads up to what's going on with my life and business, if things get too drastic I'll sub-out, but I'd prefer not to lol

[rzr]

Originally Posted by Xiz

How can your opinions possibly can be considered valid when you won't even spend the time to read the thread?
It's kinda like saying I read only the first 4 posts this game, and literally nobody else has posted anything so they are all wolves.



After thinking about the last one after a day break it's most likely rzr or psycho.

You guys are really tunnel-visioned aren't you? I said I'm not rereading 1000 posts - I already read most of them. If you payed attention you'd know I'm reading the ladder of the 1k posts, from roughly 800-current. Please get your shit straight and stop coming at me for no reason

[Xiz]

Also sorry for dropping off. Just finished the Columbia interview.


Also there is no possible world where RB is scum. EOD says it all. Top two wagons are V and DBP, with RB 3rd. DPB votes RB, because he can't vote V to save himself, or kill his wolf partner, hoping to start the 3rd wagon on a town.

Unless DBP did that as a next level play, but I absolutely doubt thats what happened.

[Xiz]

Rzr the game is pretty much at auto anyway, even if you flip town it's not the end of the world.

Also oh, REreading. My b. Disregard.

[rzr]

I'm not worried about auto I'm pissed off foe being the target of a lynch that makes no god damn sense to me - and I've said in every game lately I'm getting more and more bothered by the mislynch concept. What exactly is it that you/youguys expect of me to avoid being in the hot seat d1? I don't know what I do that comes across as so scummy, but I'd hoped you guys would start saying "oh that's just rzr" like I had to do with other players when they may seem scummy to me, but I understand it's just their nature.

Is it not justified to be ticked in this situation? Is it not warranted to want to defend myself when I'm being attacked? I don't care about the auto, I don't care that it's another mislynch, I care because I've actively worked for several games on establishing a more clear sense of game play for myself to avoid being in this situation every single game d2. And it's not working. Take that hwo you want to

[Xiz]

Also storn is town, not voting him

[Xiz]

Originally Posted by rzr

I'm not worried about auto I'm pissed off foe being the target of a lynch that makes no god damn sense to me - and I've said in every game lately I'm getting more and more bothered by the mislynch concept. What exactly is it that you/youguys expect of me to avoid being in the hot seat d1? I don't know what I do that comes across as so scummy, but I'd hoped you guys would start saying "oh that's just rzr" like I had to do with other players when they may seem scummy to me, but I understand it's just their nature.

Is it not justified to be ticked in this situation? Is it not warranted to want to defend myself when I'm being attacked? I don't care about the auto, I don't care that it's another mislynch, I care because I've actively worked for several games on establishing a more clear sense of game play for myself to avoid being in this situation every single game d2. And it's not working. Take that hwo you want to

Alright alright. I think your massive post about updated reads when you finish the last 200 posts will pretty much decide if you die tomorrow or today. Unless you blow my mind with reads to a point where you are town, which is still possible.

[Xiz]

(I just realized if T-force/psycho is a wolf then my first 3 wolves were all correct eeeyyy)

[YoshL]

@rzr, instead of blowing up, it'd be nice to just see what your opinions on the game are after you've finished with everything, which is what i said last time i addressed you. seems like xiz is saying the same thing.

[YoshL]

skimmed back through V's posts, majority of D1 was on reuben_tate, claiming that he's scum. Feels really weird given that ben doesn't post usually, curious as to why a wolf would set his sights on *quote* "low hanging fruit" */quote*. (I think it might have been discussed amongst wolves d1 that ben would be a good d1 potential because activity)

Also once about to die, shifts to storn for some reason. I actually wouldn't put it past V to bus lightly in this instance.

Not 100% sure, but even though storn has had dumbtells, i don't...remember any contributions from him really? he posted about devils advocate, which is actually...(forgive me) more insightful than i normally would imagine any player to be

Originally Posted by storn42

unvote sheeesh a lot of traction has picked up on yoshl. not really liking V pocketing me either. considering how i've woof read him the past few games when he was towny, this feels like a convenient way to get on my town side early especially if we was actually a woof. adding the fact how he made a pretty solid lynch argument on yoshl (using some of the points i used for a half-shit vote anyways) and then instantly jumps onto ben. something feels really off about V, and im not liking it... again.... v

(comments very early on, storn being actually the first to vote for V)

then talking about backpack vs. yoshl lynch

Originally Posted by storn42

But does him being a safer Lynch make him a better lynch? Like sure dbp has had a pretty post light 2nd day of twg, but his day 1 posting was pretty active. While this could be dbp rolling woof and trying to play active and falling short the 2nd day, he could just be busy today. With the passage of time it will be a lot clearer whether or not dbp is going to be inactive this game. That said, he DID have that one really active woof game in lTWG. Yoshl is much more of a toss up.

idk it may just be me gutting storn, but something feels weird with the reads early on

[YoshL]

or at least, his comments about the two flipped wolves seem to be very long in comparison to his other analysis like "Charu's mindmelding with me, last time i mindmelded with someone they were a woof"