CXLVIII - TWG to the Turnabout (GAME THREAD)

[YoshL]

rzr, if you're going to talk as if d1 had nothing useful in it

idk what to say

[rzr]

Speculation is fine man, I'm asking you to provide something else for a case if you plan on voting for me than sheeping. And I understand you initiates the suspicion on me, but you're seeming so convinced and I don't know why. I think it's fair to say that. You've really only targetted me in that sense all game, and I'm not seeing why you're mind is so made up - but I digress I'm just ranting at this point

Looking at the living players and to the best of my memory this seems pretty fitting for my initial reads list. This is subject to change as I go back over and read things in context knowing roles etc (I hate how I even have to say this lol):

town pile: choof, xiz, reuben

people I'm suspicious of: YoshL, Charu, Red

null, or very little so far: psycho, storn, botchi

[rzr]

Originally Posted by YoshL

rzr, if you're going to talk as if d1 had nothing useful in it

idk what to say

I was talking about my posts! I tried hard to stay cool on d1 because I always get stupidly misread so I wanted to tone back and play around more on d1 like everyone else does

[rzr]

also I'm aware my suspect pool is a little large -= generally speaking I want to compare Yosh and Red and Xiz

I also meant to have xiz where charu is and vice versa

[storn42]

Originally Posted by rzr

also I'm aware my suspect pool is a little large -= generally speaking I want to compare Yosh and Red and Xiz

I also meant to have xiz where charu is and vice versa

nothing wrong with have multiple people you're suspicious of.... if you end up tunneling on just one person, where do you go when you find out he was town and you ignored the rest of the game because you only wanted to pick out one woof.

[Red Blaster]

Originally Posted by rzr

Speculation is fine man, I'm asking you to provide something else for a case if you plan on voting for me than sheeping.

how can I be sheeping when i was literally the first person to ever vote you and still am voting you.

[YoshL]

Originally Posted by rzr

town pile: choof, xiz, reuben

people I'm suspicious of: YoshL, Charu, Red

null, or very little so far: psycho, storn, botchi

yeah, so initially...

you have everyone on V's wagon on your suspicion list. Do you think that the final wolf would bus their roleblocker D1 instead of supporting another wagon?

[rzr]

Originally Posted by rzr

And I understand you initiates the suspicion on me, but you're seeming so convinced and I don't know why

you'd be sheeping their votes if you jumped on it now. to start you had a reason to question me and I answered to it, how you take that is up to you. But if you, Red, were a wolf right now why would you toss your vote on me? wouldn't you want it to have some more traction so it didn't appear like you were hopping on a wagon (albeit, one that you created).

I hope that makes more sense.

[YoshL]

Votes from post 4 to post 903
It is night
---
Votes -- Lynch -- Voters
4 -- Vendetta21 -- storn42 (26), Charu (114), YoshL (138), reuben_tate (26)
3 -- DaBackpack -- thesunfan (159), choof (76), botchi246 (26)
3 -- Red Blaster -- rzr (45), psychoangel691 (3), DaBackpack (59)
1 -- rzr -- Red Blaster (44)
1 -- storn42 -- Vendetta21 (62)
1 -- unvote -- Xiz (88)

i lied, red blaster was voting for you. charu and i were on V though.

Wagonomics especially since psychoangel's vote was just an "obligatory red blaster vote" and dabackpack was voting for red blaster out of self pres and to maybe not get V lynched (was a super bad eod vote as well regardless) makes you look kinda bad here. Especially since the top 2 wagons were wolves, V was voting for storn, and dbp eod voted red blaster, the rest of the dbp/v votetrains actually look pretty damn good

[rzr]

@yoshL, I'll have to finish rerreading to answer that question - as I'm sure, or hope at least, you know I left work at 7 on Friday and hadn't looked here again until this morning, so good amount of EoD I can't pass judgement on yet. Those reads are simply me taking the living players and saying "hmm what can I say from what I remember and know so far"

[YoshL]

Originally Posted by rzr

you'd be sheeping their votes if you jumped on it now. to start you had a reason to question me and I answered to it, how you take that is up to you. But if you, Red, were a wolf right now why would you toss your vote on me? wouldn't you want it to have some more traction so it didn't appear like you were hopping on a wagon (albeit, one that you created).

I hope that makes more sense.

i'm confused whether you're scumreading red blaster, or if you're townreading him.

[rzr]

Originally Posted by YoshL

Votes from post 4 to post 903
It is night
---
Votes -- Lynch -- Voters
4 -- Vendetta21 -- storn42 (26), Charu (114), YoshL (138), reuben_tate (26)
3 -- DaBackpack -- thesunfan (159), choof (76), botchi246 (26)
3 -- Red Blaster -- rzr (45), psychoangel691 (3), DaBackpack (59)
1 -- rzr -- Red Blaster (44)
1 -- storn42 -- Vendetta21 (62)
1 -- unvote -- Xiz (88)

i lied, red blaster was voting for you. charu and i were on V though.

Wagonomics especially since psychoangel's vote was just an "obligatory red blaster vote" and dabackpack was voting for red blaster out of self pres and to maybe not get V lynched (was a super bad eod vote as well regardless) makes you look kinda bad here. Especially since the top 2 wagons were wolves, V was voting for storn, and dbp eod voted red blaster, the rest of the dbp/v votetrains actually look pretty damn good

Can you try that a different way? I have no idea how you're getting to that conclusion, actually I don't understand what you're concluding either

[YoshL]

Originally Posted by rzr

@yoshL, I'll have to finish rerreading to answer that question - as I'm sure, or hope at least, you know I left work at 7 on Friday and hadn't looked here again until this morning, so good amount of EoD I can't pass judgement on yet. Those reads are simply me taking the living players and saying "hmm what can I say from what I remember and know so far"

yes i do understand that, but assuming that eod happened, the first thing that i would imagine would be of importance to look at is dead people, their flips, and who voted last day. confuses me why you need to do a full reread to figure things out

[YoshL]

vendetta flipped as the wolf roleblocker, dabackpack was nightkilled by sunfan, and dabackpack flipped as the wolf miles edgeworth (vote adder w/e)

look at the wagons.

[rzr]

Originally Posted by YoshL

i'm confused whether you're scumreading red blaster, or if you're townreading him.

the hypothetical was to help illustrate my point

This is where I stand on Red (haven't had the time yet because yeah defending atm): I have to go back over Xiz/Yosh/Red voting/suspecting me. As I said on d0, with most people I find trying to push such a loose lynch on me is very suspicious simply because I know people can gain a lot of traction against me quickly. Initially, I'd suspected Red for it, but I skimmed over Yosh and Xiz also getting into it and (I believe) both of them casting a vote - which looks, dare I say, opportunistic.

With only 1 wolf left, I'd personally be inclined to think it's between Red/Xiz/Yosh, but I haven't analyzed Yosh's vote in context and I only skimmed Xiz

[YoshL]

4 -- Vendetta21 -- storn42 (26), Charu (114), YoshL (138), reuben_tate (26)
3 -- DaBackpack -- thesunfan (159), choof (76), botchi246 (26)
3 -- Red Blaster -- rzr (45), psychoangel691 (3), DaBackpack (59)

do you think dabackpack would self-pres vote another wolf, or a town with a chance of getting lynched?

[YoshL]

ok cool rzr's doing his "people who suspect me are wolves" dumb stuff, let's go with psychoangel

[rzr]

Originally Posted by YoshL

yes i do understand that, but assuming that eod happened, the first thing that i would imagine would be of importance to look at is dead people, their flips, and who voted last day. confuses me why you need to do a full reread to figure things out

All I read was who died and what their role was, other than that I just skimmed to catch up.

I'm not rereading 1,000 posts, I'm asking for the time to catch up on the hundred or so that happened in my absence

How can I give you an informed opinion here when I don't have half the info and some of what I do have isn't in context to the way it occurred yet?

[YoshL]

no, forget i asked lol.

if you think that the most important people to look into is anyone who has voted you or put suspicion on you, then it's not worth dealing with right now. finish catching up with what you need, and then say things because trying to argue/discuss with people with incomplete knowledge is moot

[rzr]

Originally Posted by YoshL

4 -- Vendetta21 -- storn42 (26), Charu (114), YoshL (138), reuben_tate (26)
3 -- DaBackpack -- thesunfan (159), choof (76), botchi246 (26)
3 -- Red Blaster -- rzr (45), psychoangel691 (3), DaBackpack (59)

do you think dabackpack would self-pres vote another wolf, or a town with a chance of getting lynched?

Trying to answer this while the other stuff is lol:
I think DBP is certainly capable of bussing to save his skin in this instance, if I understand correctly the other wolf had not been killed yet and there was no threat of selling out his team. Also +1 for distancing like we discussed. But I don't think that's the best reason to convict Red here.

Originally Posted by YoshL

ok cool rzr's doing his "people who suspect me are wolves" dumb stuff, let's go with psychoangel

Yosh you're not reading into what I'm saying and you're not giving me a chance to formulate my thoughts enough to express them here

Let's break it down so you don't think it's omgus:

- I know it's not hard to push a lynch on me
- therefore when I see someone (Red) using flimsy logic it makes me think they're looking to push an easy lynch
- You and Xiz both support, to some degree, what Red is saying about me

If that doesn't have a little logic in it to you then I'm sorry I'm either not explaining myself correctly or you're a little salty and thinking I'm using omgus - I'm not, look at my explanations of Zenith in last game

Lastly, by no means am I only focusing on the people who vote for me or the people who are top on my lists, my eyes are open and analyzing new evidence obvi both what's been said and what is to come. Remember how ticked I got when DLGN said he always suspected people who suspected him? It's not my reasoning, I suppose a better example would be to just say look at someone like Ben who is another person who gets lynched easily - and I think we all agreed the Ben wagon was suspicious, not because Ben did or didn't do anything, but because like DBP said last game, it is suspicious in itself to go for a "low hanging fruit."