A Viable 10-key Stepmania Setup

Arch0wl · 12-17-2014, 07:10 AM

About a year ago someone suggested I buy the Logitech K120. Admittedly, I'm borderline ADHD, so I am occasionally forgetful of things like what I order or why. When I got it in the mail I used it like a regular USB keyboard and completely blanked on why I bought it. I just assumed it was because it was a good keyboard and in my mind, that was the reason and I never thought about it since.

About an hour ago I remembered the real reason why I bought the keyboard. This is incredible:

USB keyboards have limitations of about six presses at once. This is inadvertently why 6-key is popular on Stepmania, while 8-key (despite the game's capability for it) is not.

To press 10 at once on one keyboard, you'd need to have a PS/2 connection and a mechanical keyboard. These are extremely expensive; worse, laptops do not generally support PS/2 keyboards. But since desktops are so uncommon now, you need a workaround.

This method allows you to dodge the USB limitation by using two USB keyboards, with a hypothetical max input of 12 at once.

10-key is the logical extent of how far this game can go, which is why it's been so appealing to me. Someone who is as good as you can get at 10-key has effectively maximized how good human fingers can get period. The idea is appealing on that basis alone.

When I get some free time, I'm going to see if it's possible to mod SM SSC into 10k and make some files.

**blindreper1179** · 12-17-2014, 07:14 AM

Buy me a keyboard and I'll play with you.

choof · 12-17-2014, 07:15 AM

piu doubles

**blindreper1179** · 12-17-2014, 07:15 AM

Nevermind, I forgot I have two.Lmao

dAnceguy117 · 12-17-2014, 07:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by choof

piu doubles

Yup, should be ready to go right out of the box. Just get/make a new noteskin and get to charting. Sounds fun.

choof · 12-17-2014, 08:18 AM

i don't think a lot of people will try this, however i do know that a few people play lr2 with dual kbs (iirc lg is one of them)

we tried getting 7k off the ground on kbo, not sure if you remember that but that was a few years ago and there's still less than 40 7k charts for sm

lurker · 12-17-2014, 09:41 AM

i can actually hit 10 keys on my usb keyboard
granted, said keyboard costs more than $40
just goes to show how you should never think in absolutes

also, 6 key popular? making a lot of assumptions there lmao

Wayward Vagabond · 12-17-2014, 10:14 AM

I can hit 20+ keys at one time on my keyboard. Iyd a USB march KB though. Expensive? Yeah. Worth it? Definitely. Not even for sm just typing on a brown switch keyboard is fucking golden

**_Zenith_** · 12-17-2014, 11:05 AM

I remember for a portion of the tournament, iirc on Capo or Fuse, where I had used my laptop keyboard and a spare I have kicking around to play and grab the AAA. I've used two keyboards infrequently but there is something about it where it's not only fun to play on two keyboards, but impressive that you are playing with your hands further away from each other than ever before.

Doesn't laptop keyboards also have the power to hit 10 keys at once? I know the one I used to use was able to hit at least 7 keys without issues, but don't quote me since it's been awhile since I've even been able to play.

Also didn't Velocity rig FFR to play 20 keys and he even had a video of it?

**gold stinger** · 12-17-2014, 11:21 AM

when can we do beatmania IIDX doubles on keyboard

choof · 12-17-2014, 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gold stinger

when can we do beatmania IIDX doubles on keyboard

you can
you'll just hit a wall where you'll be unable to get any better

Jousway · 12-17-2014, 12:44 PM

http://www.duckychannel.com.tw/en/ducky-shine-4/

Quote:

USB N-Key Rollover (USB NKRO): Under USB, the Ducky Shine 4 can handle any number of simultaneous key presses. You can use the keyboard confidently in any situations knowing that there will never be ghosting or key blocking issue.

just gonna put this here

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arch0wl

When I get some free time, I'm going to see if it's possible to mod SM SSC into 10k and make some files.

SM SSC...

Wayward Vagabond · 12-17-2014, 01:03 PM

not about to spend 250 dollars on a keyboard to play rhythm games

Jousway · 12-17-2014, 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wayward Vagabond

not about to spend 250 dollars on a keyboard to play rhythm games

you could do what I did, just buy a cheap ass beatmania controller like the
muse-v

choof · 12-17-2014, 01:29 PM

I have yet to purchase my fp7 but goddamn that controller looks like shit

choof · 12-17-2014, 01:30 PM

is that... *gulp* is that a scratch button

Jousway · 12-17-2014, 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by choof

is that... *gulp* is that a scratch button

yes, like I got a muse-on and this v-muse beacause the v-muse is compact and easy to bring in my backpack but when I'm home I use the muse-on for iidx gameplay, as for normal 4 key I tend ot use the v-muse or my solomania controller

EtienneSM · 12-17-2014, 08:33 PM

How much was that controller?

Wafles · 12-17-2014, 10:16 PM

how about we play 15 key

10 fingers
two foot pedals with heel and toe activation
and some button on your chair's headrest to pound your head into

this is the logical progression of stepmania

BilliumMoto · 12-17-2014, 11:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wafles

how about we play 15 key

10 fingers
two foot pedals with heel and toe activation
and some button on your chair's headrest to pound your head into

this is the logical progression of stepmania

add one finger only males have and you got 16
just like jubeat

12-17-2014, 07:10 AM	#1
Arch0wl Banned Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: fb.com/a.macdonald.iv Age: 35 Posts: 6,344	A Viable 10-key Stepmania Setup About a year ago someone suggested I buy the Logitech K120. Admittedly, I'm borderline ADHD, so I am occasionally forgetful of things like what I order or why. When I got it in the mail I used it like a regular USB keyboard and completely blanked on why I bought it. I just assumed it was because it was a good keyboard and in my mind, that was the reason and I never thought about it since. About an hour ago I remembered the real reason why I bought the keyboard. This is incredible: USB keyboards have limitations of about six presses at once. This is inadvertently why 6-key is popular on Stepmania, while 8-key (despite the game's capability for it) is not. To press 10 at once on one keyboard, you'd need to have a PS/2 connection and a mechanical keyboard. These are extremely expensive; worse, laptops do not generally support PS/2 keyboards. But since desktops are so uncommon now, you need a workaround. This method allows you to dodge the USB limitation by using two USB keyboards, with a hypothetical max input of 12 at once. 10-key is the logical extent of how far this game can go, which is why it's been so appealing to me. Someone who is as good as you can get at 10-key has effectively maximized how good human fingers can get period. The idea is appealing on that basis alone. When I get some free time, I'm going to see if it's possible to mod SM SSC into 10k and make some files.

12-17-2014, 07:15 AM	#3
choof Banned Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 8,563	Re: A Viable 10-key Stepmania Setup piu doubles

12-17-2014, 08:18 AM	#6
choof Banned Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 8,563	Re: A Viable 10-key Stepmania Setup i don't think a lot of people will try this, however i do know that a few people play lr2 with dual kbs (iirc lg is one of them) we tried getting 7k off the ground on kbo, not sure if you remember that but that was a few years ago and there's still less than 40 7k charts for sm

12-17-2014, 09:41 AM	#7
lurker ur worst nitemare Join Date: Jan 2003 Age: 32 Posts: 1,626	Re: A Viable 10-key Stepmania Setup i can actually hit 10 keys on my usb keyboard granted, said keyboard costs more than $40 just goes to show how you should never think in absolutes also, 6 key popular? making a lot of assumptions there lmao __________________ some feathery f*k Last edited by lurker; 12-17-2014 at 09:42 AM..*

12-17-2014, 10:14 AM	#8
Wayward Vagabond Confirmed Heartbreaker Join Date: Jul 2012 Age: 35 Posts: 5,858	Re: A Viable 10-key Stepmania Setup I can hit 20+ keys at one time on my keyboard. Iyd a USB march KB though. Expensive? Yeah. Worth it? Definitely. Not even for sm just typing on a brown switch keyboard is fucking golden __________________

12-17-2014, 11:05 AM	#9
_Zenith_ Accuracy Player Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Connecticut Age: 28 Posts: 4,628	Re: A Viable 10-key Stepmania Setup I remember for a portion of the tournament, iirc on Capo or Fuse, where I had used my laptop keyboard and a spare I have kicking around to play and grab the AAA. I've used two keyboards infrequently but there is something about it where it's not only fun to play on two keyboards, but impressive that you are playing with your hands further away from each other than ever before. Doesn't laptop keyboards also have the power to hit 10 keys at once? I know the one I used to use was able to hit at least 7 keys without issues, but don't quote me since it's been awhile since I've even been able to play. Also didn't Velocity rig FFR to play 20 keys and he even had a video of it? __________________

12-17-2014, 01:03 PM	#13
Wayward Vagabond Confirmed Heartbreaker Join Date: Jul 2012 Age: 35 Posts: 5,858	Re: A Viable 10-key Stepmania Setup not about to spend 250 dollars on a keyboard to play rhythm games __________________

12-17-2014, 01:29 PM	#15
choof Banned Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 8,563	Re: A Viable 10-key Stepmania Setup I have yet to purchase my fp7 but goddamn that controller looks like shit

12-17-2014, 01:30 PM	#16
choof Banned Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 8,563	Re: A Viable 10-key Stepmania Setup is that... gulp is that a scratch button

12-17-2014, 10:16 PM	#19
Wafles FFR Player Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 1,988	Re: A Viable 10-key Stepmania Setup how about we play 15 key 10 fingers two foot pedals with heel and toe activation and some button on your chair's headrest to pound your head into this is the logical progression of stepmania __________________ http://smleaderboards.net/profile/view/Wafles

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