Riots in Ferguson, Missouri

[Xiz]

Originally Posted by MrPopadopalis25

Can't take the heat stay out of the kitchen.

Arguing with Deadly is the equivalent to trying to argue with your dining-room table.

Everyone has an opinion, and they are entitled to it. Unless your opinion helps cause oppression or suffering amongst others, then you are wrong. In this case, Deadly is wrong.

Also Deadly, I hope you realize the YouTube video you linked is nothing more then what appears to be a high school kid who has no degree, career or title to his name where his opinions are completely irrelevant. If you are trolling, you are doing a very good job at it because there is no way that you can seriously have those opinions while referencing that type of video.

[gold stinger]

you can embed stuff from youtube by using tags with the video ID ffiIvkeO89g inside of it.

[Deadlyx39]

Originally Posted by Xiz

Arguing with Deadly is the equivalent to trying to argue with your dining-room table.

Everyone has an opinion, and they are entitled to it. Unless your opinion helps cause oppression or suffering amongst others, then you are wrong. In this case, Deadly is wrong.

Also Deadly, I hope you realize the YouTube video you linked is nothing more then what appears to be a high school kid who has no degree, career or title to his name where his opinions are completely irrelevant. If you are trolling, you are doing a very good job at it because there is no way that you can seriously have those opinions while referencing that type of video.

The point of the video was to explain how the news fabricates the truth and doesn't actually say it how it is. My point is that they've never done this when talking about black on white crime. I mean, I doubt most people here have heard the Dillon Taylor story. Dillon's exactly like how Michael Brown's is: he looked like he was looking for trouble and both officers actions are justified.
My opinion wasn't based on my view of black and white crime (Or what the two of you had thought), my opinion was on how the media only uses white on black crime, because it's more marketable to a wider range of audiences than by having news on black on white crimes.

[Deadlyx39]

Originally Posted by gold stinger

you can embed stuff from youtube by using tags with the video ID ffiIvkeO89g inside of it.

Thanks by the way.

[Deadlyx39]

Originally Posted by MrPopadopalis25

So you believe then that this whole thing has nothing to do with race and is only the media attempting to make money by stirring controversy AND that Michael Brown deserved to die because he wasn't perfect? What sort of fucked up fantasy world do you live in?

Exactly where did you get that I said he deserved to die? I stated he wasn't a defenseless little child that the media makes him out to be.

And my opinion is that the media is just stirring the pot. The media should be unbiased and provide both viewpoints, which they haven't done for the officer.

[MinaciousGrace]

Originally Posted by MrPopadopalis25

the media attempting to make money by stirring controversy

well lets be honest this actually is the real world we live in regardless of how relevant it is to the particular matter at hand

and lets take this honesty even further: none of your opinions matter and none of you will ever have any discernible impact on the situation or the relevant social issues

so lmao

[Funnygurl555]

Originally Posted by Deadlyx39

My opinion wasn't based on my view of black and white crime (Or what the two of you had thought), my opinion was on how the media only uses white on black crime, because it's more marketable to a wider range of audiences than by having news on black on white crimes.

eeeeeeeeeeeeeh, $0.02.

I'll be frank: I don't like the word "marketable" being used there.

Anyway, the reason why white on black crime is brought up is because it is a consequence of a bigger issue that is far from being solved, and this incident is a trigger to bring this issue on the national table.

[Deadlyx39]

Originally Posted by MrPopadopalis25

Racially-motivated crimes committed by law enforcement are more widespread, more institutionally accepted, and thus more important to address in terms of white on black than black on white.



Here, for example:



They looked like they were looking for trouble and thus killing them is justified?

The point of me saying that it's justified is my reasoning for why there hasn't been a trial for the Dillon Taylor case, and their won't be one for the Michael Brown case. While we won't know what happened, both officers had reason to believe that their lives were in danger and that it had justifiable reasoning. Not that it was MY opinion on it, but that their actions were justified. The only part of my statement that was my opinion was that the media is giving us bullshit.

[dAnceguy117]

Originally Posted by Deadlyx39

While we won't know what happened, both officers had reason to believe that their lives were in danger and that it had justifiable reasoning. Not that it was MY opinion on it, but that their actions were justified.

No, stating that the officers' actions were justified in those cases is your opinion. Your opinion can align with a decision reached by a grand jury, but your opinion does not become fact; it's an opinion.

[Deadlyx39]

Originally Posted by dAnceguy117

No, stating that the officers' actions were justified in those cases is your opinion. Your opinion can align with a decision reached by a grand jury, but your opinion does not become fact; it's an opinion.

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/58...-gill.html.csp
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/25/us...rand-jury.html

I was just restating that it was justified.

[Deadlyx39]

Originally Posted by MrPopadopalis25

We won't know what happened? Doesn't that sound like a perfect reason for the case to go to trial then, so we can know what happened?



You keep saying that their actions were justified. Their actions were killing Michael Brown. Therefore you agree with them that killing Michael Brown was justified. Therefore you agree with them that Michael Brown deserved to die, or am I wrong? What is the difference between justified and deserved to you?

Plus justified means that there was reason for them to believe that their lives were in danger. Not that Michael and Dillon deserved to die

[dAnceguy117]

Originally Posted by Deadlyx39

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/58...-gill.html.csp
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/25/us...rand-jury.html

I was just restating that it was justified.

Those are links to articles about the decisions reached by the grand juries in those two cases. Your opinion aligns with those decisions, but your opinion is not a fact.

[Deadlyx39]

Originally Posted by dAnceguy117

Those are links to articles about the decisions reached by the grand juries in those two cases.

That was the point.

[dAnceguy117]

Originally Posted by Deadlyx39

That was the point.

My point is that a statement like "the officers' actions were justified" is not a fact, no matter what decision was reached by a grand jury.

[Deadlyx39]

Originally Posted by dAnceguy117

My point is that a statement like "the officers' actions were justified" is not a fact, no matter what decision was reached by a grand jury.

The whole point of me saying that was to reiterate that they had reason to believe that their lives were in danger. Not as if it was a fact, but that it was used to help my argument on the media, and how in both situations they are experiencing the same thing (the officers had reason to believe they were in danger), yet they have vastly different coverage.

[Vares]

Originally Posted by TheSaxRunner05

The Grand Jury reviewed all the evidence, including all eyewitness testimony and the phsyical evidence. The physical evidence contradicted most eyewitness testimony. The Grand Jury went through pretty much all the steps of a trial. The entire process took about three months. There was plenty of opportunity to weigh evidence, and their decision reflected the evidence at hand.

It's a shame that eyewitness testimony isn't as reliable as we'd like it to be. Most basic Psychology classes will teach us that every time we recall a memory, it's slightly less accurate. According to NPR, even Wilson's memory of the confrontation seems more exaggerated in terms of intensity compared to the physical evidence of his condition afterwards, that being a bruise on his face.

[RB_Spirit]

Sips tea

[Dynam0]

There's some pretty stupid shit being said in here and it's all rife with personal bias.

When you detach yourself from whatever upbringing you've had and look at it fact-for-fact, a dumbass kid who was high robbed a store (error in judgement) and then a dumbass cop handled the situation poorly and ended up killing the dude (error in judgement). Is it wrong that there was no trial? Imo it's 100% wrong.

I can understand how some would say that racism is the underlying issue in this situation but it's so much more than that. Police are given an immense amount of power and responsibility and when they fuck up, lives can be lost. In some ways you can compare this profession to surgeons making a mistake and the patient dying on them. At the end of the day, you have an officer who made an error in judgement and just like the doctor being sued for malpractice, is facing a trial. It's a reasonable situation that begs a thorough investigation, hence why I feel a trial would have been beneficial.

[TheSaxRunner05]

Originally Posted by Dynam0

There's some pretty stupid shit being said in here and it's all rife with personal bias.

Originally Posted by MrPopadopalis25

They looked like they were looking for trouble and thus killing them is justified?

No, but if you assalt an officer and try to take his gun, you can expect to be shot, well within the officer's rights. That was a very bad decision on Michael Brown's part. Seriously, if the officer was the aggressor, why would the physical evidence show a struggle within the police vehicle? Please, look at the physical evidence.

My Conjecture: Michael Brown was flooded with adrenaline from his recent hold up of the conveinence store, and went off on officer Wilson out of panic

[Red Blaster]

Guys, guys..you're all forgetting the most important fact of all: