Riots in Ferguson, Missouri

[adlp]

@xiz

police power and individual liberties share a scale, and major events like this always shift them, based on if the public values safety and control over individual liberties. right now as you can tell people aren't happy with the police's power, so expect a shift that removes some of this power.

this has happened multiple times throughout US history and it will happen again. no need to sensationalize

[Xiz]

Originally Posted by adlp

no need to sensationalize

I disagree completely. Middle class whites have the power to ignore what is happening in the world. Individuals who are consistently oppressed do not have that luxury.

[adlp]

wELL I DISAGREE WITH UR DISAGGREMENT

[MinaciousGrace]

ur all just products of your own self oppression anyway

[adlp]

dude

the grand jury choosing to not idict the officer wasn't based on racism. it was based in facts and circumstances of the situation.

that being said, it doesn't mean racism doesn't exist, it's just that the country's biggest race baiters (al sharpton, jesse jackson, eric holder, obama) are willingly fanning the flames on this issue. and now we have people traveling to ferguson with the only intention to riot and destroy the neighborhood despite the verdict.

when i said no need to sensationalize to Xiz it was in regards to him predicting the police gaining dangerous amounts of power

[Xiz]

Well, it's not really a prediction... but more of a fact that has already happened. They already have dangerous amounts of power. It will only increase over time unless people actually stand up and do something about it.

[adlp]

no it will actually lessen in wake of this. this happened after rodney king too

i guess i never mentioned it on FFR but criminal justice is the field i'm studying and going into so that's why i'm invested in this incident.

[Xiz]

^ That's why I am still talking to you. I enjoy picking your brain, since our views contrast.


How do you think it will lessen? Do you think crime will lessen over time, and the government will take back the tanks and bear-cats in small cities? And if so, what do you think caused the police to be able to get their hands on equipment such as this?

[gold stinger]

criminal justice apprentice vs documentary guy

[Charu]

This entire thing is dumb and everyone knows it.

[adlp]

Originally Posted by Xiz

^ That's why I am still talking to you. I enjoy picking your brain, since our views contrast.


How do you think it will lessen? Do you think crime will lessen over time, and the government will take back the tanks and bear-cats in small cities? And if so, what do you think caused the police to be able to get their hands on equipment such as this?

ok cool

it will lessen because the majority of the public is expressing disdain for their power, and politicians and elected judges will address this and write/interpret laws to limit police power to remain popular. this will how it will be until another catastrophic event that scares people into wanting more policing power again. this like i said earlier, police power vs. individual liberty shifts back and forth constantly

the equipment will probably stay where it's at but i dont know too much about that besides that it exists.

[_Zenith_]

Moral of the Story: Ferguson is a warzone between the people and "Police" a.k.a Military.

Waiting for a bigger riot to tell you the truth, the conflict between facts and spoken word is only going to get worse at this point. Nobody is trying to solve the problem besides detaining the people and not batting an eye at the "police" force.

Two Cents given, no refunds.

[ilikexd]

Trial by media culture is getting really annoying at this point.

[Xiz]

Originally Posted by adlp

it will lessen because the majority of the public is expressing disdain for their power, and politicians and elected judges will address this and write/interpret laws to limit police power to remain popular.

I'm worried this won't happen. I am afraid that yes, laws will be drafted and presented however not much will be done to pass them because the general public will loose interest, due to a different and unrelated catastrophic event that might occur in the future.

[adlp]

im on a car trip right now i can respond again in like 8 hours

[Deadlyx39]

Honestly people are misconstruing the fact that there wasn't even enough evidence to put the officer to trial. This isn't like the O.J. Simpson trial (where everything says guilty, but their found not guilty). There wasn't even enough evidence. This man had so little evidence against him it wasn't justifiable to have a trial.

As for the whole is racism at part in the decision, I would say no. The only reason why race is an issue is because the media, and people like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are fueling this belief that never would have existed in this case without them.

However...
The only reason this case was ever on the news in the first place is because it was white on black crime. Funny part though, is that Dillon Taylor of Utah (Who was white and hispanic) was killed by a black cop. This situation is the exact opposite of the Trayvon Martin case (Zimmerman was white and Hispanic), yet the national media has said jack shit about it. The media realizes that by making the Michael Brown case popular it will lead to better ratings than the Dillon Taylor case. So they bring in people like Al Sharpton to fuel the fire, create unrest within the affected group of people, and get these said people to tune into their broadcasts on the issue, that never should have been about race in the first place.

If the media was truly unbiased an actual news title would look like this:
"A local cop kills a man" (lol gr8 tile right?)

Anyway, the Ferguson story is a perfect example how the media has everyone wrapped around their fingers. Without the media, I guarantee nobody would be this apeshit over the issue.

[Deadlyx39]

Originally Posted by MrPopadopalis25

And here we have an excellent example of somebody attempting to rationalize their prejudice.

I made a statement and backed it up with my opinions. However this makes me a bad person? I thought the point of this thread was to offer your personal viewpoint of the issue. Guess not

[ItsOnlyDanO]

This seems awfully familiar to the riots in London and other parts of England in 2011, except in that case the riots started before the trial occurred, not after. (Actually be politically correct they started because of violence towards a protest, at least I think they did)

[Deadlyx39]

Originally Posted by MrPopadopalis25

It is when your statement and opinions are prejudiced, yes.



Can't take the heat stay out of the kitchen.

Again my point. Michael Brown is not this perfect defenseless "boy" the media makes him to be. He was an 18 year old adult who was 6'4'' and 300 pounds. But the media doesn't get people tuning in by being unbiased. If you want a better understanding of what I'm trying to say, watch this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffiIvkeO89g (Don't know how to imbed Youtube videos don't ask why)

It further emphasizes my point on how the media tries to make everything different than what they are just so they can just get more money.

[Deadlyx39]

Originally Posted by ItsOnlyDanO

This seems awfully familiar to the riots in London and other parts of England in 2011, except in that case the riots started before the trial occurred, not after. (Actually be politically correct they started because of violence towards a protest, at least I think they did)

There never was a trial. There wasn't enough evidence against him to warrant a trial.