Djentrap [82 or under 79]

[hi19hi19]

Since the scoreboards haven't really had time to develop it's kinda silly to compare them. So instead let's compare Djentrap to some other jack files already in the game.

Start with some facts:
Djentrap
140 bpm
No split jumpjacks
All the 16th jacks are in the first half of the file
A single one-handed jump anchor at the end of a jack, very early in the file
Jacks have easy frame gaps
Currently rated difficulty 82.
To be fair, it does some slow anchors at the end that are moderately tricky


Now compare to...

All i wanna do is touch your powerpoints
Longer jacks
More of them
TWO HANDED jumpjacks = split city (none of that in Djentrap)
14 bpm faster
Jacks are framefucked in places because it's faster than 150bpm
Only a difficulty 79


bmv.578
Similar length long jacks
A single one-handed jump anchor in the middle of the jack, right at the end of the file
26 BPM FASTER
Jacks are framefucked in places because it's faster than 150bpm
Only a difficulty 75


And to give the ever present personal reason, I got a better score on Djentrap in 4 tries than I had on both of these files that I had played twice as much.
Hell it took me 23 tries to get a score with over twice as many goods on bmv.578 and I still haven't gotten a clean FC on Powerpoints because of how easy it is to split the jumps.


So with these two files as a comparison, I find it really strange that Djentrap is rated significantly higher than both of them despite having easier patterns the whole way through.
I'd be okay with Djentrap giving Scarhand I guess, despite the fact I honestly think it could go to lower than 79. I think it should obviously be the same or lower than All i wanna do is touch your powerpoints, and I also think it should be lower than bmv.578, but that gets into the issue of bmv.578 being rated too low which should be its own thread.

Anyway can we please at least get Djentrap out of the 80s where it has no business being?

[Callipygian]

My idea exactly. I got a sighread 2g score on Djentrap, which is something I rarely get on 78+ files. It simply doesn't have the speed, nasty patterns, hard transitions, length or anything else to justify its 80+ rating. I would rate it a 78, since it's similar but clearly easier than Powerpoints.

[EzExZeRo7497]

I initially wanted to say that Djentrap should be a 78/79, but I overestimated the speed of the jacks and thought it was around 150 more than 140. Even then though, 140, while it is relatively fast, the file is player-friendly enough with its transitioning to really make the jacks feel easier than its actual speed - hence why I thought Djentrap should be an 80 (or very low 81) if the jacks were at 150.

It's definitely overrated, but I'd rate it 79 instead of 78. The only argument is that Powerpoints' jacks are very predictable and are relatively sporadic, compared to Djentrap. Given, Powerpoints' jacks are a lot harder (split jumps and faster) but I guess that evens out with slower jacks and a higher frequency of jacks more than anything else. I have no qualms to say that it's a 78 if most people find Powerpoints' overall jacks harder than Djentrap's jacks though.

[Gradiant]

I find djentrap harder to aaa than powerpoints tbh. The jacks are fine, its the transitioning around the jacks thats a problem. Powerpoints however as no awkward patterning around its jacks. Id like to see djentrap as either matching it at 79, or as an 80.

[Sorie]

Am I the only one seeing this file as a 74 with Throwin' Down/Big Blue/bmv ? I feel like the absence of broken frames in newer files makes them easier for everyone and create a sense of "all the new songs are too easy for their difficulty". I couldn't even explain why it would be over 76 with a few fairly short jack sections being the only hard parts.

[TheSaxRunner05]

Having watched the replay, I think it should be a 78, just under powerpoint as previously stated.

[M0nkeyz]

very similar to ''into your eyes'' which is a lvl 76

[TheSaxRunner05]

I personally don't think it should give Scarhand [Heavy], as long as it's 78 or below, it's ok with me.

[hi19hi19]

Originally Posted by EzExZeRo7497

I initially wanted to say that Djentrap should be a 78/79, but I overestimated the speed of the jacks and thought it was around 150 more than 140. Even then though, 140, while it is relatively fast, the file is player-friendly enough with its transitioning to really make the jacks feel easier than its actual speed - hence why I thought Djentrap should be an 80 (or very low 81) if the jacks were at 150.

Yeah 80-82 would make sense if Djentrap's jacks were 150 (Turbo speed) but 140 is significantly slower, the long jacks all have a long frame gap in them that makes it much easier to not fall behind.
With that in mind I think it's definitely not 80s difficulty, the question is just where in the 70s does it fall (and does it give Scarhand)

[j-rodd123]

This file is way harder than bmv are u kidding me

[hi19hi19]

Originally Posted by j-rodd123

This file is way harder than bmv are u kidding me

Absolutely not kidding.

My current score on Djentrap (4-0-0-2) with 12 plays total. After my sightread, I've never had a run where I got worse than SDG or felt I would have gotten worse than SDG if I hadn't quit out.
The jacks are really slow by FGO standards.

Compare that to my current score on bmv (9-0-0-1), which is my best after about two dozen tries recently and it felt kinda like a fluke run. I don't think I'd be able to SDG it again without similar whoring.
The fact it has extremely fucked frame gaps makes it difficult for me. I'm not sure why everyone else thinks it's easy and the scoreboard supports that- it has less AAAs than most low FGOs released at the same time (compare bmv's 40 AAAs to Nomina Nuda Tenemus's 55. And bmv also has fewer FCs!)

Tempted to make another thread because I think bmv is so misrated. In before OWA hates me <3

[TC_Halogen]

Originally Posted by M0nkeyz

very similar to ''into your eyes'' which is a lvl 76

As the stepartist of both files: absolutely not.

Into Your Eyes has a single instance of a 7-note jack; Djentrap has multiple instances of 7-note jacks and jump jacks, in addition to having some 2 to 4 note jacks being interlaced between 16th note forced mini-jacks via 32nd note bursts.

A lot of the patterning in Djentrap is extremely uncoordinated (and intentionally so) and very very split-heavy, which can lead to blocks happening rather quickly.

Perhaps 82 was a bit of a stretch on this file, but I personally would not be happy to see this file under a difficulty of 80 -- it is more deserving than being a "cheap" Scarhand unlock because it does require some pretty decent technicality not only in the drops themselves, but also in the bridges where you have the mix of 32nd notes + jumps for bass layering.

A slight reduction feels alright to me -- anyone down for an 81 rating?

[hi19hi19]

Originally Posted by TC_Halogen

A lot of the patterning in Djentrap is extremely uncoordinated (and intentionally so) and very very split-heavy, which can lead to blocks happening rather quickly.

Using this logic, why would Djentrap be higher than Powerpoints, whose jacks are longer, faster, have bad framers, and are even easier to split by virtue of being two handed?

You seem pretty convinced that the file is awkward but it's really not, I find there are no terribly unflowing patterns in the 32nds and only a single one-handed jump transition from the 16th jacks.

[TC_Halogen]

lost an entire post somehow goddammit so just gonna summate because i don't feel like typing it again

Powerpoints' most difficult sections is not entirely comparable to Djentrap for a few reasons in my opinion:

- Powerpoints' without question, has the hardest difficulty attributed specifically to jacks (mostly likely the 9 note [14] jack). Hit that, and you likely get a respectable score because it is the longest set of jacks in the song.

- Djentrap's hardest section is up for interpretation -- one could say that the lone jacks are the toughest part because they are 7 notes long (four times: two single/two double), but another person might have issues with the fact that there are 16th note jacks/jump-jacks that are interrupted by bursts that basically force you to release the tension in your hands that you might be using for the jacks themselves (as someone whose achilles heel is jacks, that's somewhat personal despite my AAA). Even someone who is not great at jacks could find themselves running into a problem near the end of the song with that 32nd burst/bass-drum layering mess, too.

There are a number of difficult parts in this song to look at, in my opinion. Analyzing Powerpoints against Djentrap is a bad idea, because the structures are somewhat different not only outside of their toughest parts, but also inside of their toughest parts too.

[rayword45]

Halogen actually has a point in that the jacks in Djentrap are not necessarily the hardest point. Transitioning out of the Jacks into the bursts is quite difficult due to the messy placement and hand tension involved. I know for a fact that I can get pretty easily mindblocked on that area (lolsubjective).

That being said, it's not entirely difficult to fluke AAA those parts, which is why I think a 79 is a solid rating.

Also, if you make a bmv thread, you should make a Gymnastics thread as well because those anchors are NASTY compared to the one anchor in bmv.