Old 11-28-2012, 03:12 PM   #5121
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I suppose so. Four judges having controversy over one file seems a bit unbalanced to me.

Is it possible to have all the judges look at that one file if there were inconsistency with that file? At least this will lessen the controversy a bit, based on having more different opinions
another reason why we have multiple judges is to lighten the load and speed up the process. having all judges look at every file defeats the purpose. we already take votes on borderline files at the end of judgement anyway

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Old 11-28-2012, 03:18 PM   #5122
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Generally if a file is good, most judges should see eye to eye. But some more tricky files or unusual charts its great to have multiple judges.

Hiding the deadline from the public is a great idea. And if judges being late is a big deal, then let jx decide the appropriate consequences. I agree with Carlos though; a few days vs 1 month is nothing to be super upset about. If nobody knew the deadline, nobody would be making a huge fuss.

I do think the judges' work should be given credit though. These are people who have been around for a long time and want to keep sharing their expertise with others. It's not super complicated work, but I don't think several hours of helping judge tons of files should be dismissed. Having said that, if there's any way to fix some of the judges procrastinating, if its that big of a deal, I'd love to hear it. I'm totally guilty of this as well, but I don't skim through files and judge in 2-3 hours subjectively saying (lol ya file sucks cak bye). Some of us take several hours for even just 35 files to be sure we cover everything because like Carlos said, we take judging seriously. And I certainly hope the other judges enjoy helping out like this.

I do enjoy doing this for helping this game grow. This isn't a thing of reputation at this point.
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Old 11-28-2012, 03:25 PM   #5123
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yeah if i didnt enjoy judging and helping people improve stepping/helping this game grow i wouldnt be doing this especially for as long as i have. ive put it more hours into judging and stepping than i would admit and i have no regrets
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Old 11-28-2012, 03:34 PM   #5124
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yeah if i didnt enjoy judging and helping people improve stepping/helping this game grow i wouldnt be doing this especially for as long as i have. ive put it more hours into judging and stepping than i would admit and i have no regrets
This sums it up pretty well for me too. I'd like to add, however, that it gets progressively more frustrating to do each time given the communities lack of appreciation and respect. It's gotten to the point where I've thrown detailed notes out the window. I used to even offer to re-judge a file; I'm not above admitting I'm wrong when I am or having judged a file with a poor mental state and that attributing to a bad score, but if nobody's going to respect me enough to make an approach in a way that doesn't cause a commotion than I don't have time to deal with it.
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Old 11-28-2012, 03:36 PM   #5125
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When I judged in the old style, we discussed a lot of the ratings with each other. I think it's better for the stepartists that way, because if for example I didn't get a file and thought it was pretty crappy, but blu saw how brilliant it was, he could show me the good stuff and make my opinion better . Yeah it can change your ratings, but in almost all cases it made the judgment better, as well as making it consistent betwee nthe judges (which makes it easier for the stepartist to take suggestions and improve the overall product). I think that's also a positive of having a Tass-like position where somebody takes everybody's opinion into consideration and gives an overall judgment.

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Old 11-28-2012, 03:39 PM   #5126
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Old 11-28-2012, 03:54 PM   #5127
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people say elitism is bad


but remember how awesome it felt to get your file accepted back when judges were anal about everything?

quality control mang


I'm not saying everything about it was great, but now that people are really good at making simfiles, I don't think qc should be toned down. Rather, I think even better files can be put in game. People shouldn't complain about judgment they get; we have seen hundreds of files and usually know what we're talking about. Likewise, judges should take many things in consideration when judging a file, not just how "technically correct" it is.

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Old 11-28-2012, 03:56 PM   #5128
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people say elitism is bad


but remember how awesome it felt to get your file accepted back when judges were anal about everything?

quality control mang
and how discouraging it was when your file got completely dismantled by judges

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Old 11-28-2012, 04:06 PM   #5129
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"Generally if a file is good, most judges should see eye to eye."

in practice, this is not true
most files that are good are good because they do something novel - and by definition that means you're going to get a mixed judgement. if it WAS true we'd only need one judge to look at each file!

the converse - if a file is bad, judges will see it's shit - is true however
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Old 11-28-2012, 04:40 PM   #5130
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Earlier someone mentioned that "no one gets paid for this" is a stupid excuse. That's absolute bullshit because honestly, you can't expect people to perform a job without any encouragement (payment, appreciation or whatever floats your boat and motivates you). It's good that people do volunteer but if there's a lack of encouragement to do the work, it's definitely not the judge's fault, but due to a lack of motivating factors. Why else would you do a job?

That aside, the judging process shouldn't be so secluded. At least, not later on. Discussion is healthy and you don't see top judges for artistic talent (be it singing, dancing, art or whatever you can think of) just going to their secluded little island and make their own opinion. They discuss with each other. Yes judges can be convinced by other judges, but is that a bad thing? Convincing others happens when someone makes a rational and logical argument, and shouldn't be shut off from the others. It's a test of your logic, and if your logic stands you have nothing to worry about. If it doesn't stand, it's a learning moment for that judge, and he or she should revise his opinion.

Also, I'd like to give myself up for judge for the next batch. I think it'd be a good to have some new insights and I'm willing to make some time for judging. I'm not very known for my judging and I've been mostly in the background when it comes to judging (and simfiling in general really), but people who know me and have asked me to judge their work can vouch for my reviews.
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Old 11-28-2012, 04:52 PM   #5131
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I'd love to judge tbh even if it was only as a back up

but to be completely honest I doubt it would ever happen.

I also can't say I'd blame them either.
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Old 11-28-2012, 04:52 PM   #5132
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can I volunteer Middie for simfile judge

owait everything would be [--]

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Old 11-28-2012, 04:54 PM   #5133
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Earlier someone mentioned that "no one gets paid for this" is a stupid excuse. That's absolute bullshit because honestly, you can't expect people to perform a job without any encouragement (payment, appreciation or whatever floats your boat and motivates you).
because you enjoy it? why is everything about getting satisfaction from others towards what you do? do a job because with the motivation of saying that it's a finished job when you finish, and earn the satisfaction of finishing a job that you said you would do. I don't care if people don't appreciate the work that I do for free, but I do care that the job gets done so that others will see the benefits of it. That's two entirely different things.

Do it because you want to AND because you possess the skills to, not because you need to. Sorry, but I fail to see how it's a stupid excuse and never will. In the case of the batch, there are people that are waiting for the notes and will undoubtedly be thankful to see them, so yeah, there's something to do the notes for every single time that they are volunteering.

EDIT: +1 to you at least starting as a backup judge, wouldn't mind it personally
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Old 11-28-2012, 04:56 PM   #5134
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spitfire and plopadop would make great judges.


both have been around for a while, made some great files, and generally know what they're talking about.


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-_-" I think you're joking but come on it wouldn't be like that.

Also Plopdop would be a good judge I think
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Old 11-28-2012, 04:59 PM   #5136
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damn, complimented by both one of my stepman idols as well as a guy who generally loathes each and every file that i put out. fuck it, i'm gettin' extra cheese on my sub tonight!
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Old 11-28-2012, 05:00 PM   #5137
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I'm glad people are agreeing to my post about the judges discussing their opinions amongst each other about a particular file.
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-_-" I think you're joking but come on it wouldn't be like that.

Also Plopdop would be a good judge I think
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Old 11-28-2012, 05:02 PM   #5139
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seeing as both spitfiya and mrplopadop are both men i'd enjoy making sweet love with, i'll cast my vote their way hoping this increase my chances with them.
(for real tho, both are very qualified and awesome people to boot.)
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damn, complimented by both one of my stepman idols as well as a guy who generally loathes each and every file that i put out. fuck it, i'm gettin' extra cheese on my sub tonight!
I don't need to like your charts to see you know what your doing

I mean anything I think I've ever said about your charts was mostly personal preference, but I can't remember clearly so that might be inaccurate.

Dunno I just tend to disagree a lot. Maybe it's just me.
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