[TC_Halogen]

Originally Posted by qqwref

I'd actually argue against AJ on this one. Having the top players advocate difficulty in the ITG community works great because the best songs are really only playable (=passable) by the best players. But on FFR every file is playable by everyone, which means that a file that is significantly harder than a typical high 12, to most people, should be pushed up in difficulty. I know we have some players here with so much speed that speed considerations become almost irrelevant, but placing difficulty based on those top players would mean that difficulties are only really relevant to them. To anyone else who doesn't have that level of physical ability - that's 99% of players - the difficulties won't make sense. I'd rather have difficulty rankings that most people can accept, rather than having ratings that feel weird to everyone but the speediest players in the world.

IMO, the best players to determine whether something should be pushed up to the 13 difficulty are people who have the physical speed to handle 12s, but can't hit 13s - those people can determine how much speed a file actually requires to play, rather than just determining how hard of a time they have trying not to dump goods on it. I think I fall somewhere in that group, and I think properly hitting Rave7 requires more speed than any 12 should.

Feel free to move this post into the song discussion/ingame song thread.

in this particular case, we're arguing the ability to score well on a file versus getting a full combo (over passing and failing, since the lifebar on FFR is completely irrelevant). Those who are actually accomplishing the former are actually exerting the energy/speed/etc. needed to hit the file properly, while others are just guessing their way through the file in some place or another. I could argue that Metro is a 12 for the sake of simplicity, but it's a 13 due to the amount of speed and stamina required.

Even on an objective level, 20+ TPS stream for an extended period is absolutely nuts (hell, do i smile might qualify for a 13, after all).