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Old 08-22-2018, 08:31 PM   #2162
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Default Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]

Just thought I'd point out that Blind isn't town.

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Originally Posted by Funnygurl555 View Post
I think a post like this is pretty organic and comes from a good perspective.
The problem is, his overall performance is far, far from organic. No one seems to have really considered what I said yesterday, so I'll reiterate my case against Blind.

Yesterday, I made a series of posts when I got back, one of which included a suggestion by me that we didn't know how many wolves there are.

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But then this happens. It's extremely unlikely that anyone could possibly guess everyone from the dataless mess of D1—we can't even be sure of how many wolves there are for example.
Emphasis on we can't even be sure of how many wolves there are.

As several people (DBP at length, Freezin and Sun Fan a bit) alluded to—see #1722—this was incorrect. All T tables include three wolves. My confusion came from the fact the the mafiascum wiki table differed from the official game table. I was reading the former when I made that claim, which led to what DBP characterized as a dumbtell.

Blind claims that he hadn't read the long discussion about that when he commented on the post. But that's very hard to believe. You see, he reacted with extremely exaggerated concern

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Originally Posted by blindreper1179 View Post
What. What. What. What. What. What. What. What. What. What. What. What. What. What. What. What. What. What. What. What. What. What. What. What. What. What. What. What. What. What. What. What. What. What. What. What. What. What. What. What. What. What. What. What. What. What. What. What.
likely trying to scope out an aggressive position on a topic (that he didn't actually understand) in order to simulate town cred.

The problem is, he immediately undercut his own reading. Not only did he misunderstand what had actually happened, but his reaction upon being caught showed that the excessive “What” post was fake.

Note the following:

My initial response:

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People have already gone over this. I looked at the link in the OP instead of the spoiler again and assumed that the different scum totals would carry over.
His response to that:

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Originally Posted by blindreper1179 View Post
This is flimsy at best. Only the top 2 have one less wolf. (6 and 7 T's.) I get the chances, but I highly doubt we rolled that.
This is hilariously problematic. Blind makes the same mistake I did, obviously reading from the mafiascum tables. This would be funny on its own, calling out someone for a dumbtell, then making the same dumbtell. But it's more than that, because it reveals his reaction to my post was artificially constructed. There's no need to go “What what what...” or indeed to even react at all if this was his actually understanding of the situation. If he believed what he claimed here, then my initial statement (we don't know how many wolves there are) would have been mechanically valid, and there would have been no reason to jump on it because it was correct.

Instead, by jumping all over it, he commits to the idea that there's something wrong with it. But he very clearly, as demonstrated by the post above, doesn't understand what. Rather, he saw that other people, primarily DBP, had discussed it at length, and saw an opportunity to scope out unclaimed case ground rather than actually making a case. Not only does this speak to a lack of actual scumhunting—looking for a unique position rather than a position supported by evidence—it clashes directly with his claim that he hadn't read further on, and was simply reacting to my post. If that was the case, why the initial overreaction. After all, “I get the chances.”

This interpretation of Blind is borne out by his later responses.

First, I pointed out the obvious problem with his post.

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You're kidding, right? They went on a whole tangent about it being a dumbtell, then you act like it a sudden brilliant discovery you made--and then you make the same dumbtell? There aren't variable mafia numbers. That was their point (I'll admit it took me longer than it should have to figure out what the problem was). The mafiascum link includes a T..TT..TTT etc. set-up with different wolf numbers, but that's not the case here (YoshL's T-rolls spoiler is different than the mafiascum page). There are three wolves in every configuration. The only question is whether or not there's a serial killer.
To those actually following the discussion—who had commented on it and understood what the dumbtell was—this remark made sense.

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Originally Posted by FreezinIce View Post
Lol blind

How embarressing
His initial reaction is to explain away his misreading as an immediate hot take to my initial post, although as I've demonstrated that's problematic because by his understanding there was nothing to react to.

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Originally Posted by blindreper1179 View Post
Yeah, so i react to posts when i read them. I don't quote to use later and finish the thread and then write an entire novel to each of them.

It's weak, get over it.
Where Blind really undermines himself is in his reaction to Freezin's casual response.

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What is?
Blind doesn't understand what's embarrassing because he still doesn't realize that he committed the same dumbtell. He read into my statement what he wanted to read, missing the actual point—a point that was necessary to understand in order for his original post (What what what...) to make any sense at all.

Every single post he made in this sequence drives home the fact that he didn't understand what was wrong with what I said initially, which not only shows that his criticism of it was falsely constructed, but that his extreme reaction was as well. It would be one thing to make a passing remark regarding the "how many mafia" thing, another entirely to do what he did.

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