The Final Fantasy [28 or 34]
A while back, I made a thread for this song. Even though the change was universally approved, including by jimerax, it seems like this file didn't get moved at all (if anything, it got pushed down).
Previous thread: http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...d.php?t=121933 Quote:
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Re: The Final Fantasy [28 or 34]
I have the file listed in my on comp word document list as a 30, and Honolulu as a 30, both of which, for whatever reason are not that in the game, I may have mis written them in the translation. Regardless, this song is a hard one to rate IMO, because the file is really straightforward for the most part, but it has those 16ths littered in with jumps. But then I think of files like Honolulu, which also have weird stuff like 12th jump jacks and fast 24ths littered in which feel harder to me. And then songs like Gameboy Ravel with fast and awkward stream at the end that seems like it would be harder FC and AAA wise for most low level players.
I see why I had it as a 30, because I looked at it FC and AAA wise compared to Honolulu and Gameboy Ravel, and even songs like Ninja Turtles and AM-3P, and it's easier FC wise than all of those, and AAA wise easier than Ravel and Honolulu. Looking at patterns the jumps seem ugly but maybe I'm used to jumps so it didn't seem as bad to me. Honolulu's patterns seem far far uglier and the stream in Gameboy Ravel looks far more uncomfortable. Idk I'd say 30/31 max and Honolulu should be 31. It's a file that based purely on density and looking at things like jump gluts and patterns seems to it with 8's, but AAA, FC, passability, and pattern wise is easier than lots of 7's. I feel Improv Et Chien, Honolulu, and Gameboy Ravel are all harder on a AAA'ing, FC'ing, and pattern level, while Gameboy is harder on a pass level IMO (the fast and awkward stream could mess people up badly) |
Re: The Final Fantasy [28 or 34]
Eh, didn't see this before, but as mentioned in the other thread - for which a change from 7 to 8 got approved - this file is hell for a 7. 30 is too low - the first pattern in the song is ridiculously mindblockable, and there are a whole bunch of short but fast 16th one handed trills in it. It's a 34, as Halogen mentions, on par with other ex-low 8s
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Re: The Final Fantasy [28 or 34]
Here is a lot of my issues with 'rating' difficulties. There is no set standard for what makes an 8, and we just say 'this songs patterns are what we dub 8's so it's an 8', it's about how it compares to files that are in a certain difficulty range. We don't determine difficulty groups first, make a set of rules on what should be in that difficulty, have an empty list, and then fill it with songs that meet those parameters. We order all the songs in increasing difficulty order, then we group songs that are very similar in difficulty and where there are noticeable gaps/jumps in difficulty, we divide the range. So what I would like to hear about this file is not why it's patterns are worthy of 8's but how it's patterns compare to other 8's and 7's. As I've said I still find Improv et Chien far hard to AAA and PA, and Honolulu is arguably harder to FC as well as PA/AAA. Comparing it to the easiest 34, Resurrection in Progress, TFF is easier to pass and to FC, just harder to PA. Well so is Honolulu. I'm not opposed to moving it up, I can go 32, but I really don't think it's 34, or haven't been thoroughly convinced. It's jump gluts with 16ths are icky, but short, few, and the only thing making this song harder than something like World of Dreams. For new players that are proned to mashing they are still mashable, readability wise they are easier to read than Honolulu's 24th or Improvs color crap.
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Re: The Final Fantasy [28 or 34]
The Final Fantasy was always a file people complained about being an 8. Not in the mood to type up some lengthy post about it right now, but the majority has always been on that level for that file.
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Re: The Final Fantasy [28 or 34]
I fail to reflect anything useful on this thread that hasn't been said rather eloquently or via visual aids by AJ.
I can just voice in that I personally believe that this is a 34-36. |
Re: The Final Fantasy [28 or 34]
Replayed this file. It's a solid 35. Broken jumpstream at this speed is never encountered in old 7s, and the awkwardness/one-handedness makes this even more difficult to PA/FC for lower level players. Considering continuous 156bpm jumpstream is grounds for at least low VC, broken jumpstream with crappy, anchored patterns should at least be low VD. Anything else I could say about why this needs a bump up was probably already covered in AJ's very elaborate post (I say probably because I just skimmed it since I agreed with you :razz:)
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Re: The Final Fantasy [28 or 34]
played it again, 35 would work. If I take out all bias and assume people are just bad at density then density wise and jump wise it is around 35's. 35 and we lock this thread? this file has always been a personal debate for me, I guess it's one of those I have some bias against. But 35 is reasonable, is that good?
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