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MixMasterLar 10-22-2018 06:45 PM

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Also all I said was I was going to pick between inactives.


When the fuck did that turn into "Lynch Pearl"

It smells of ulterior motives if you ask me, and while Charu first mentioned anti pearl, it's InD's vote that smells the worst

Precarious 10-22-2018 06:50 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar (Post 4651882)
I thought about mass claiming while at work yesterday but since we can't tell what roles are possible that only benefits wolves.

I thought about just claiming if you asked for a role or not. Wolves probably already have an idea since their roles are affected by how many of us ask to be blue so that information probably benefits town a little more---but in the event only 2 of us asked that straight up tells the wolves who's the strongest and who to kill so I don't really favor this plan either.

I think if town ever does claim anything it's after some tangible effects happen.

So unless I'm blind, no one has talked about this post much, and we really should. Because this is a dumbtell, right?

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Originally Posted by FreezinIce (Post 4651491)
During twilight and every night phase, you may also guess the total number of human blue roles and attempt to sabotage them. If you guess correctly, you will sabotage half of the human's blue roles, and you will steal one human blue role. If you guess within +-1, you will sabotage one blue role.

MML seems to be advocating for stating claims, and doing so would be potentially catastrophic. Obviously the wolves themselves would be aware of their own powers--so the question is whether the dumbtell is genuine or calculated. Given that roundbox sort of alluded to the sabotage issue in his prisoner's dilemma post, and MML apparently rolled right through that, I'm inclined to believe it's genuine and therefore exculpatory. MML's follow-up post:

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Originally Posted by MixMasterLar (Post 4651884)
Didn't see that second Roundbox post. That's quite the padded post you got there.

I think it's absolutely best if we keep mum on it for now, possibly for most of the game.

Seems to be more or less in line with that mode of thinking; it seems to be kind of an "Oh, I see."

***

Having said that, I also STRONGLY disagree with the idea of only announcing info given observable effects. Any blue roles expire at the end of each phase, and everyone can request a role/non-role again that same night. Thus, one's green or blue status is not fixed, and a roleclaim the next day doesn't make a player any more likely to be targeted in the future, since all roles are fluid.

Therefore, anyone and everyone that has a role should absolutely claim what they did the next day--it provides information without enabling wolf sabotage (since the next set of requests would have already been made) or making the claimant a more likely target.

DarkManticoreX2 10-22-2018 06:53 PM

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Both you and indy have indirectly/directly presented an avenue to remove a player from the game not due to content or fact or rationale. You have both said the equivalent of “let’s lynch antiperal because he’ll be a no show. This feels like an attempt to powerwolf through a weak town player.

What worries me more is that people think it might be a decent idea. If I read correctly we don’t get cardflips, so not knowing antipearl’s alignment when he dies gives us nothing and no one to blame on either side. It’s a waste of a day phase pursuing it and simple feels wolf driven.



I like sytho because she felt similarly about your cagey “I’ll lynch anyone under 5 posts post”

And I have all sorts of different feelings on sunfan right now, I like his current position on pearl, but that read could vacillate somewhat wildly as the game progresses depending on what pearl does or doesn’t do.

Precarious 10-22-2018 06:55 PM

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Actually, I can see how that could potentially backfire. I would say that, assuming they exist, investigations and informational abilities should absolutely be announced, roleblocks and/or protection announced if it seems relevant. Passive abilities would probably be more situational.

Charu 10-22-2018 06:59 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar (Post 4652010)
Also all I said was I was going to pick between inactives.


When the fuck did that turn into "Lynch Pearl"

It smells of ulterior motives if you ask me, and while Charu first mentioned anti pearl, it's InD's vote that smells the worst

I take full responsibilities for wanting this to happen. I don't trust their slot regardless of their alignment, and that's the absolute truth. Like right now, they have, once again, proven to me that they're not going to play again. They did though play seeing as how they're still in the game by sending SOMETHING to the host.

Charu 10-22-2018 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DarkManticoreX2 (Post 4652015)
And I have all sorts of different feelings on sunfan right now, I like his current position on pearl, but that read could vacillate somewhat wildly as the game progresses depending on what pearl does or doesnít do.

I can garuntee you one thing.

If they do come out of hiding and actually play, it'll be, at most, one post, and the rest would be about lamenating about how they're being targeted as an inactive.

Source: Read this game and look for Anti-Pearl's posts.

Wayward Vagabond 10-22-2018 07:08 PM

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Wouldn't it benefit the wolves more keeping antipearl around rather than just going for an easy d1 lynch? I was always under the assumption that trivial players are better to keep around because in later games a mislynch is harder to go by if you have solid towns remaining.

Wayward Vagabond 10-22-2018 07:08 PM

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Also hi rb thank u for noticing me ^~^

Wayward Vagabond 10-22-2018 07:10 PM

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mml suck on that nerds

Charu 10-22-2018 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Wayward Vagabond (Post 4652020)
Wouldn't it benefit the wolves more keeping antipearl around rather than just going for an easy d1 lynch? I was always under the assumption that trivial players are better to keep around because in later games a mislynch is harder to go by if you have solid towns remaining.

In most situations, yeah. In this game, even more so, lol.

Charu 10-22-2018 07:14 PM

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Oop, that was the wrong game

Charu 10-22-2018 07:14 PM

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It was definitely this one, promise!

Syhto 10-22-2018 07:17 PM

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Yeah, I am not comfortable with this anti-anti-pearl continuation from previous games. If he is going to get in trouble for lack of posts, I say let that happen and play out as it will. It is way too easy for the wolves to off anti-pearl with no need to worry about flips showing any association with one another.

Sure, inactivity has been an issue recently with a number of players. But eh, I would rather read based on what is actually happening than to eliminate those who aren't up to par with participation. At this point. I only ever used to play games with no cardflips... so this is pretty normal to me. One of the reasons I wanted to play.

Anyone who is jumping on anti-pearl I am pretty weary of. I agree with manti though, that sunfan could go either way.

Charu 10-22-2018 07:22 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Syhto (Post 4652026)
Yeah, I am not comfortable with this anti-anti-pearl continuation from previous games. If he is going to get in trouble for lack of posts, I say let that happen and play out as it will. It is way too easy for the wolves to off anti-pearl with no need to worry about flips showing any association with one another.

Didn't you literally use Anti-Pearl's inactivity to use as a means to win the game I linked, lol?

Syhto 10-22-2018 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Charu (Post 4652027)
Didn't you literally use Anti-Pearl's inactivity to use as a means to win the game I linked, lol?

Yes, lmao

MixMasterLar 10-22-2018 07:30 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Precarious (Post 4652012)
So unless I'm blind, no one has talked about this post much, and we really should. Because this is a dumbtell, right?



MML seems to be advocating for stating claims, and doing so would be potentially catastrophic. Obviously the wolves themselves would be aware of their own powers--so the question is whether the dumbtell is genuine or calculated. Given that roundbox sort of alluded to the sabotage issue in his prisoner's dilemma post, and MML apparently rolled right through that, I'm inclined to believe it's genuine and therefore exculpatory. MML's follow-up post:



Seems to be more or less in line with that mode of thinking; it seems to be kind of an "Oh, I see."

***

Having said that, I also STRONGLY disagree with the idea of only announcing info given observable effects. Any blue roles expire at the end of each phase, and everyone can request a role/non-role again that same night. Thus, one's green or blue status is not fixed, and a roleclaim the next day doesn't make a player any more likely to be targeted in the future, since all roles are fluid.

Therefore, anyone and everyone that has a role should absolutely claim what they did the next day--it provides information without enabling wolf sabotage (since the next set of requests would have already been made) or making the claimant a more likely target.

What part of that is a dumbtell?
What the fuck are you going on about?
I'm against claiming btw since that looks to be in question.

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkManticoreX2 (Post 4652015)
Both you and indy have indirectly/directly presented an avenue to remove a player from the game not due to content or fact or rationale. You have both said the equivalent of ďletís lynch antiperal because heíll be a no show. This feels like an attempt to powerwolf through a weak town player.

What worries me more is that people think it might be a decent idea. If I read correctly we donít get cardflips, so not knowing antipearlís alignment when he dies gives us nothing and no one to blame on either side. Itís a waste of a day phase pursuing it and simple feels wolf driven.



I like sytho because she felt similarly about your cagey ďIíll lynch anyone under 5 posts postĒ

And I have all sorts of different feelings on sunfan right now, I like his current position on pearl, but that read could vacillate somewhat wildly as the game progresses depending on what pearl does or doesnít do.

This is a lot more then I expected and I like it.

You 're wrong tho.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Syhto (Post 4652026)
Yeah, I am not comfortable with this anti-anti-pearl continuation from previous games. If he is going to get in trouble for lack of posts, I say let that happen and play out as it will. It is way too easy for the wolves to off anti-pearl with no need to worry about flips showing any association with one another.

Sure, inactivity has been an issue recently with a number of players. But eh, I would rather read based on what is actually happening than to eliminate those who aren't up to par with participation. At this point. I only ever used to play games with no cardflips... so this is pretty normal to me. One of the reasons I wanted to play.

Anyone who is jumping on anti-pearl I am pretty weary of. I agree with manti though, that sunfan could go either way.


I fucking refuse to get to final five with 4 inactives

MixMasterLar 10-22-2018 07:32 PM

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Everyone with that "let the host replace them" shit:

GAME TOOK FOREVER TO FILL THERE ARE LIKELY NO REPLACEMENTS READY YET THIS IS SUCH A BAD POINT TO ANGLE SHOOT WITH

MixMasterLar 10-22-2018 07:32 PM

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Will be back before eod

the sun fan 10-22-2018 07:36 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar (Post 4652030)
Everyone with that "let the host replace them" shit:

GAME TOOK FOREVER TO FILL THERE ARE LIKELY NO REPLACEMENTS READY YET THIS IS SUCH A BAD POINT TO ANGLE SHOOT WITH

oh man this one is worth 2 bingo spaces

Syhto 10-22-2018 07:38 PM

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Yeah... I mean I don't disagree that it is fucking ridiculous that anti-pearl is so inactive. But 1 the host allowed it, fully aware it had been a problem. 2 you cant deny that now may not be the best time to get rid of them, when it is possible still there could be a sub. You don't know that he won't be replaced. And we don't know if he won't show up yet still either...

They do know the game is on though right? Who else is super inactive atm? What is with the 4 inactives bit?


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