Benguin's (and Xel's!) Rates Tourney #2 (Round 6 in Progress)
 

Introducing,





What is this all about?
Hi everyone! It's been awhile since I've been involved with the site (too much adulting in the way). Anyways, it seems there's been a decline in user-run tournaments as of late and I thought some people would be itching to have some fun playing the game again!

Last time, I ran a rates tournament (with the help of Xelnya) and I'm hoping to bring you guys yet another rates tournament! The rules/formats have changed considerably since last time to hopefully make the tournament more enjoyable so please take the time to read the details below!

How do I register?
Simply post in the thread that you would like to participate! You may register at any time between now and the end of the first round.

How will this tournament work?
1) This is an culmulative style tournament with 6 rounds. The existence of divisions will be determined on the number of participants.
2) At the start of each round, the name of the round's file and a randomly generated integer X between the value of 10 and 100 will be posted.
3) You will play the file on the highest rate possible while trying to get at most X goods. Misses/Averages/Boos are also ok as long as your raw score is equivalent to X goods or less.
4) For the purposes of scoring, your rate IS your score. Any score that has more than the equivalent of X goods will be given a score of zero.
5) Rates must be in 0.05 increments. If your rate is not divisible by 0.05, we will round your rate DOWN to the nearest 0.05.
6) At the end of the tournament, for each participant we will sum up their best score from each round. The participant with the highest sum in each division wins!

How do submissions work?
1) Submissions will be via screenshot submissions. After you finish the file, take a screenshot of the result, making sure to include your username and timestamp. Afterwards, post your submission in the thread.
2) Replays are not a valid form of submission.
3) You may submit as many times as you want during the duration of the round in an attempt to improve your score. Your best score for that round will be taken when determining your final score for that round.

Cheating?
Don't.

What division will I be placed in?
Due to the general amount of activity this site has these days...I am worried about not having enough participants. If there are enough participants, divisions will be determined as given in the next paragraph. Otherwise, the tournament will be a single division tournament (although we will have suitable participation prizes for those that stick around to the end).

For preliminary placements, we will use the FFR leaderboards here in order to place you. Based on your levelranks/replays/etc, we reserve the right to move you to another division we feel is more appropriate if need be.

Credits/Prizes
We will be starting off the tournament with 250,000 credits. We will happily accept donations of both the credit and non-credit variety. We will add your contribution to the list once we have received it. Credit distributions will be determined at the end of the tournament. Also, since this tournament is officially backed, we will also be giving out event token prizes to the winners! See below more information regarding tokens.

Donations

Gir - 500,000 <333333333333333333333
Pizza69 - 320,558 <3333333333
yo man im awesome - 300,000 <3333333333
FFR Events - 260,771<333333
reuben_tate (initial prize pot) - 250,000 <333333
HardstyleLover - 100,000 <33333
juckter1 - 100,000 <33333
SoFast - 100,000 <33333
LeftyRighty - 100,000 <33333
evil smoke - 87,516 <3333
SK8R43 - 71,206 <3333
TheToaphster - 50,000 <333
Kawaii025 - 50,000 <333
TheLegendofPie - 50,000 <333
Precarious - 50,000 <333
PhantomPuppy - 30,000 <33
RenegadeLucien - 15,937 <3
ositzxz369 - 13,352 <3
-Blue7- - 3703 <3
TheFFRPerson - 300 <3
Shodzzy - 100 <3

Total Prize Pot:2,453,443 credits!!!




Late Scores
We will allow people to submit late scores with a penalty of -0.11x per round that the score is late. Late scores must be submitted before the end of the final round to be eligible for participation prizes.

Song Choices
For each round, a song from the difficulty ranges listed below will be picked.
Round 1: 1-30
Round 2: 31-50
Round 3: 51-65
Round 4: 66-75
Round 5: 76-85
Round 6: 86-95


Questions/Concerns
Any questions about the tournament can be sent either myself (reuben_tate) via PM. Alternatively, you can post in the thread as well and I'll respond appropriately.

Participant list (Currently: 58)

Re: Benguin's Rates Tourney #2
 

i would desire to participate in this fancy occurance

Re: Benguin's Rates Tourney #2
 

Absolutely in.

Re: Benguin's Rates Tourney #2
 

count me in

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Thanks for signing up! I see some folks viewing the thread...keep those signups coming! (^)>

Re: Benguin's Rates Tourney #2
 

will play if rates no longer massively lagspike on this laptop

I'm not certain if that's the case but the engine's been updated a few times since I've last tried rates so I'm hoping it might no longer be an issue

Re: Benguin's Rates Tourney #2
 

When you say "play the file on the highest rate possible", does this mean I get to choose the song rate (like 1.2x, 2.0x, etc)? Would I be forced to disqualify myself if there is no other participants at my division? Also, what does "donations of non-credit variety" include?

Re: Benguin's Rates Tourney #2
 

Thanks for asking!

When I say "play the file on the highest rate possible", you get to choose the song rate you play at. For example, if Round 1 was Excite Bike and the threshold was 10 goods, then you will play Excite Bike and try to find the fastest rate you can possibly complete Excite Bike at while still getting under 10 goods. You can keep playing and re-submitting as many times as needed, so for example, if you post a score of Excite Bike with 8 goods at 1.6x speed, try to see if you can get under 10 goods on 1.65x speed, etc. Also note that as the tournament progresses, the files will become more difficult, so it may become necessary for some players to play on a rate that's lower than 1.0x in order to complete the song with the given threshold for goods.

As for divisions, I'll create divisions if there are enough participants to warrant them. If I do create divisions, I'll be sure to create the division boundaries in a way that each division has a suitable number of people.

By donations of the credit-variety, I'm talking about FFR credits. As for donations of the non-credit variety, it could be anything. It can be a tangible or an intangible good or a service (in the past, some people would create avatars or profile backgrounds/designs for people).

Hope that answers your questions!

Re: Benguin's Rates Tourney #2
 

this sounds pretty sick (and i can actually play rates now) so i'm in

Re: Benguin's Rates Tourney #2
 

i'm in baby

Re: Benguin's Rates Tourney #2
 

In.

Re: Benguin's Rates Tourney #2
 

I'm in.

Re: Benguin's Rates Tourney #2
 

i sir would like to join :v

Re: Benguin's Rates Tourney #2
 

put me in coach

PS you should be able to edit the thread to include the Registration Open tag.

Re: Benguin's Rates Tourney #2
 

In. Looking forward to it.

Re: Benguin's Rates Tourney #2 (Registration Open)
 

I kinda quit but I'm gonna say in and try to have at least half-respectable scores

Re: Benguin's Rates Tourney #2 (Registration Open)
 

Updated to here (I'm just adding everyone to a participants list in the OP).


Thanks fam~
Glad to you have you on board :) Hope you have fun~

Re: Benguin's Rates Tourney #2 (Registration Open)
 

I'm in!

Re: Benguin's Rates Tourney #2 (Registration Open)
 

I'm in.

Re: Benguin's Rates Tourney #2 (Registration Open)
 

Count me in! :)

Edit:
Sent a donation as well. I need to do some major de-rusting. :|

Re: Benguin's Rates Tourney #2 (Registration Open)
 

Man im in ill try my best and i suck at his game

Re: Benguin's Rates Tourney #2 (Registration Open)
 

What's this now? A tournament? No way dude it's been like a year since I've seen an FFR tourney. Count me in my guy (Credit donation coming soonTM)

Re: Benguin's Rates Tourney #2 (Registration Open)
 

In

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I'd like to participate! Also would like to know how to donate credits, I've never done that before.

Re: Benguin's Rates Tourney #2 (Registration Open)
 

Put me in coach. I've got hoop dreams.

Re: Benguin's Rates Tourney #2 (Registration Open)
 

Updated to here~ Also, shoutout to pizza69 for the generous donation!
<3

Thanks for the donation! I'm sure plenty of us need major de-rusting xD
It's alright, practice makes perfect!
Yeah, I've noticed the site could use another tourney xP Also, thanks for the donation!
Sure! Donations are appreciated :3 To donate, go to the "Play FFR" tab in the upper-right hand corner, click "credit shop", and on the top of the page should be a form to donate credits. Just put my username "reuben_tate", your donation amount, and an optional message :)
You've got it ;)

Re: Benguin's Rates Tourney #2 (Registration Open)
 

Hello! I would like to participate.

Re: Benguin's Rates Tourney #2 (Registration Open)
 

Count me in! Donated :)

Re: Benguin's Rates Tourney #2 (Registration Open)
 

210% in

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:twisted:

Re: Benguin's Rates Tourney #2 (Registration Open)
 

I would very much like to participate in this thingymijig

Re: Benguin's Rates Tourney #2 (Registration Open)
 

Ready to fail, I'm in.

Re: Benguin's Rates Tourney #2 (Registration Open)
 

in

Re: Benguin's Rates Tourney #2 (Registration Open)
 

Sock it to me baby~

Re: Benguin's Rates Tourney #2 (Registration Open)
 

Wait how do I send credits or whatever?

Re: Benguin's Rates Tourney #2 (Registration Open)
 

Do I need to send credits to participate? and if so, how much?

Re: Benguin's Rates Tourney #2 (Registration Open)
 

count me in

Re: Benguin's Rates Tourney #2 (Registration Open)
 

I'll join.

Re: Benguin's Rates Tourney #2 (Registration Open)
 

As the tournament organizer said, "To donate, go to the "Play FFR" tab in the upper-right hand corner, click "credit shop", and on the top of the page should be a form to donate credits. Just put my username "reuben_tate", your donation amount, and an optional message ."

Also, there is no fee required to participate. Most people are donating credits to this tourney out of generosity.

Re: Benguin's Rates Tourney #2 (Registration Open)
 

In

Re: Benguin's Rates Tourney #2 (Registration Open)
 

Updated to here! I'm really glad to see people signing up :) Also, I've received a flux of donations so shout out to everyone that has donated! I've read your donation messages and I really appreciate the support c: I've posted the donator's names and donation amounts in the OP so be sure to give them a round of applause :) We're currently at a prize pot of 1,421,426 credits, which is over 5 times the original prize pot!!!


You got it! And thanks for the donation!
That's a lot of percents

You're gonna with that attitude xP
*puts a shoe on you* E:
As ositzxz369 has explained, you do not need to send any credits...there is no entrance fee to participate in the tournament. People are free to donate to the prize pool if they are feeling generous, although it is not required. I'll add donation instructions to the OP if you or anyone else wants to donate.

Re: Benguin's Rates Tourney #2 (Registration Open)
 

Also, everyone, please welcome XelNya, my partner in crime! We have co-hosted the previous rates tournament so we're hoping we can bring you another awesome rates tourney! He'll be responsible for song picks so you can blame him :P and will be helping with updates throughout the tourney.

Banner update to come soon~

Re: Benguin's (and Xel's!) Rates Tourney #2 (Registration Open)
 

I forgot how to play this game but sign me up.

Re: Benguin's Rates Tourney #2 (Registration Open)
 

Oh they're gonna blame me alright

^_^

Re: Benguin's (and Xel's!) Rates Tourney #2 (Registration Open)
 

wait am I still banned from all middie events or

Re: Benguin's (and Xel's!) Rates Tourney #2 (Registration Open)
 

Let's just put that shit behind us. Shit's stupid and I was likely being a cunt.

You're absolutely more than welcome to join.

Re: Benguin's (and Xel's!) Rates Tourney #2 (Registration Open)
 

count me in also all songs have to be 10 goods or less?

Re: Benguin's (and Xel's!) Rates Tourney #2 (Registration Open)
 

i'm bored
in

Re: Benguin's (and Xel's!) Rates Tourney #2 (Registration Open)
 

Cant really play since computer issues but i guess i'll donate some fiffer creds. :P

Re: Benguin's (and Xel's!) Rates Tourney #2 (Registration Open)
 

I would but A) My computer lags like hell on rates and
B) I'm super rusty. Like D3 level lol

Re: Benguin's Rates Tourney #2 (Registration Open)
 

Done! Thanks!

Re: Benguin's (and Xel's!) Rates Tourney #2 (Registration Open)
 

ugh rates still lag spike brutally every 20 seconds or so (even though on 1.0 everything runs fine)

fuck

Re: Benguin's (and Xel's!) Rates Tourney #2 (Registration Open)
 

I get lag on everything XD Need a legit gaming computer, i guess. HA

Re: Benguin's (and Xel's!) Rates Tourney #2 (Registration Open)
 

Updated to here~ Let me know if I've somehow skipped over putting your name in the participation or donation list.

Hopefully the rust comes off quickly :)
Not necessarily. You'll have to get fewer than a certain amount of goods every round and that number of goods will be determined by a random number generator at the start of the round (it'll be a number between 10 and 100).
Prepare to be UN-BORED!

Thanks for the donation!

I'm sorry to hear that some people are having issues with lag :( I don't know if newer versions of flash player might help resolve that issue...I've had decent gameplay on Flash Player 21 and 27.

Re: Benguin's (and Xel's!) Rates Tourney #2 (Registration Open)
 

Also, I'm pleased to announce that this tournament will receive ~official backing~ meaning that we should be seeing an even larger prize pot for the tournament in addition to exclusive event tokens for those that do well in the tournament.

For some of the new players not familiar with event tokens, below is a description from the FAQ page on the FFR Wiki:
More information about tokens (and other stuff) in general can be found here:http://ffr.wikia.com/wiki/FAQ. Note that we'll only use token files for a round only in the case that everyone playing around has that token.

More details on this to come~

Re: Benguin's (and Xel's!) Rates Tourney #2 (Registration Open)
 

Also, since sign-ups are going relatively well, we're going to start looking at division placements. If we have any concerns regarding your division placement, we might send you a PM with some clarifying questions. Similarly, when we're done with division placements, you are welcome to bring your own concerns to us, but please do so in a PM.

We'll keep you guys posted~

Re: Benguin's (and Xel's!) Rates Tourney #2 (Registration Open)
 

Just put up the tournament spreadsheet in the OP~

The spreadsheet includes a VERY ROUGH initial division placements (mostly done by looking at your official division placement and top scores via the FFR leaderboards feature). We plan to do some more refining of the placements as the week goes on.

One thing I wanted to point out is that we have a very good amount of D4, D6, and D7 players but we have almost no D3 or D5 players. It also wouldn't hurt to have more D1 and D2 players as well. Don't be embarrassed to message some of your FFR peeps...even if they haven't played in over a year :P If we aren't able to get enough people to fill up the D3 or D5 slots, we might have to shift the division lines a little bit to get things to work.

As always, we appreciate any feedback/suggestions in regards to division placements. If you feel that you or your opponent have been placed in too low or too high of a division, then please feel free to let us know via PM :)

Cheers~

EDIT: Posting the link here for convenience

Re: Benguin's (and Xel's!) Rates Tourney #2 (Registration Open)
 

The spreadsheet link on your initial post works, but not the one on your edit.

Re: Benguin's (and Xel's!) Rates Tourney #2 (Registration Open)
 

should be fixed now, thanks!

Re: Benguin's (and Xel's!) Rates Tourney #2 (Registration Open)
 

In + donated

Re: Benguin's (and Xel's!) Rates Tourney #2 (Registration Open)
 

thank youuuuuuu

it's less stable on 1.0 compared to 11 and 14 (both versions I normally use) but no abrupt pauses or massive frame skips every 20 seconds on rates, so I'll take it for sure

Re: Benguin's (and Xel's!) Rates Tourney #2 (Registration Open)
 

Wait, i thought flash only went up to like 12? Non rates work on my flash player up to about level 50 songs but still would like to be able to actually play/aaa songs not just do poorly XD

Re: Benguin's (and Xel's!) Rates Tourney #2 (Registration Open)
 

Yeah flash goes up quite a ways.

Re: Benguin's (and Xel's!) Rates Tourney #2 (Registration Open)
 

I'd like in. I enjoy having others pick the songs

Re: Benguin's (and Xel's!) Rates Tourney #2 (Registration Open)
 

cant participate cuz busy, but sent a few credits your way. glhf all :)

Re: Benguin's (and Xel's!) Rates Tourney #2 (Registration Open)
 

in

Re: Benguin's (and Xel's!) Rates Tourney #2 (Registration Open)
 

thanks a bunch :D

Re: Benguin's (and Xel's!) Rates Tourney #2 (Registration Open)
 

Where can i find the latest? Just google? The standalone guide only goes to 12.

Re: Benguin's (and Xel's!) Rates Tourney #2 (Registration Open)
 

oh yes my good sir i would like to join

Re: Benguin's (and Xel's!) Rates Tourney #2 (Registration Open)
 

Count me in!!! It'll be my first tournament!

Re: Benguin's (and Xel's!) Rates Tourney #2 (Registration Open)
 

Updated to here!

Awesome, thanks for the credz!
Glad to hear :) Hopefully that works as a solution for others as well that are having issues with lag/frame skips.
It's unfortunate that you can't join, but we appreciate the credits! Thanks!
I can send you a link via PM

Re: Benguin's (and Xel's!) Rates Tourney #2 (Registration Open)
 

Ok so for the tournament you answered my question about the goods now on the first post does it mean " Misses/Averages/Boos are also ok as long as your raw score is equivalent to X goods or less." Does this mean that we can get as many misses/averages/boos as we want as long as we keep the goods lower than the amount it generated?

Re: Benguin's (and Xel's!) Rates Tourney #2 (Registration Open)
 

and btw im in :L

Re: Benguin's (and Xel's!) Rates Tourney #2 (Registration Open)
 

To answer your question, you're allowed to have averages/misses/boos, but only to a certain extent. Say for example, that the maximum raw score on a song is 23100. A score with 12 goods (and the rest perfects) would have a raw score of 23100 - (25*12) = 22800 so if the requirement was to get a score that was equivalent to 12 goods or better, you'd need to get a raw score of at least 22800. In order to help with this, I'll also post the equivalent raw score that you need to get for every round.


I'm going to borrow from Dossar's Concise Guide To FFR Scoring Types to help illustrate how you can determine how many goods your score is equivalent to:
This guide by itself won't tell you directly "how many goods are equivalent to one average" since it doesn't take into account the opportunity cost of the points that you're missing out on when you don't hit a perfect.

-For a good, you get a 25 points when you could have gotten 50 points for a perfect so you missed out on 25 points.
-Similarly for an average, you are missing out on 50-5 = 45 points
-For a miss, you miss the full 50 points for the perfect plus you get penalized 10 points for the actual miss for a total of 60 points that you're missing out on.
-You don't need to give up a perfect in order to get a boo, so you're just missing out on 5 points by hitting a boo.

Using this, we can calculate how much each judgement is in terms of goods in terms of the points that you're missing out on:
-1 good = 1 good
-1 average = (45 missed points)(1 good / 25 missed points) = 1.8 goods
-1 miss = (60 missed points)(1 good / 25 missed points) = 2.4 goods
-1 boo = (5 missed points)(1 good / 25 missed points) = 0.2 goods

Therefore, you're score is equivalent to getting X goods (with the rest perfects) where:

X = G + 1.8A + 2.4M + 0.2B

where G, A, M, and B are the number of goods, averages, misses, and boos in your score respectively.

Re: Benguin's (and Xel's!) Rates Tourney #2 (Registration Open)
 

You don't need to use this formula though, like I said, I'll post the equivalent minimum raw score that you'll need to achieve every round.

By the formula, an average is roughly 2 goods, a miss is roughly 2.5 goods, and there are 5 boos in a good so these rules of thumb can be used to quickly estimate how many goods your score is equivalent to.

Re: Benguin's (and Xel's!) Rates Tourney #2 (Registration Open)
 

When does this tourney start and how do I know what level im plaaying and all that? im basically new so I got NO IDEA how a tourney on this game works lol

Re: Benguin's (and Xel's!) Rates Tourney #2 (Registration Open)
 

All of the information for the tournament will be posted in the opening post / OP (and also in the thread as the tournament continues). For now, we're expected to start at Friday at 10pm server time (server time can be found near the upper-right hand corner of the website). Your division placement can be found in the spreadsheet link in the OP, each tab at the bottom corresponds to each division (you are in D1).

Each round will last 1 week and I'll post the song name and the maximum number of goods (and equivalent minimum raw score). I'll also send all participants a PM at the start of every round so that they are notified.

There is a lot of information in the OP that should be helpful. Of course, we'll be happy to answer any questions if the OP isn't clear on something.

Re: Benguin's (and Xel's!) Rates Tourney #2 (Registration Open)
 

I'm so glad you're good at math so I don't have to be bothered

Re: Benguin's (and Xel's!) Rates Tourney #2 (Registration Open)
 

If you use R^3 as well it is good to note that the "Raw Good" value that is given after each map is a way to immediately see how many goods you have (it uses the same math/method that reuben discussed) without having to pay attention to score. I'm pretty sure this is only in the R^3 engine but I'm not sure.

Just putting that out there for anyone who doesn't know

Re: Benguin's (and Xel's!) Rates Tourney #2 (Registration Open)
 

ok im starting to get it. So you generate an X amount of goods and the goal is to get the RAW goods the same or less than the generated number? Like for example 20 raw goods. I could get like 10 goods 10 boos 1 miss and 3 averages which is 19.8. Is that what you are talking about? Also we would need to get the amount of raw goods or less in 0.05 rate intervals trying to get the fastest interval without going over the raw goods that was generated?