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the sun fan 06-23-2020 12:05 PM

Re: TWG Turbo 31 Game Thread
 
OOTC has been turned off

DaBackpack 06-23-2020 12:09 PM

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DaBackpackToday at 12:59 PM
In case I die. I'm hardclaiming the PR this game. Night 1 I roleblocked funnygurl which is why I thought she could be the numerator. Tonight I am watching Hakulyte.

NocturneOfShadowToday at 1:00 PM
Kk

thesunfanToday at 1:00 PM
Pls stop talking in here ffa

DaBackpackToday at 1:01 PM
damn, it was FFA

OK. So there have been no weird shenanigans tonight either. So I guess the numerator's ability is "invisible" or otherwise is latent.

Or, numerator is a one-shot ability, and I happened to block funnygurl when she tried to use it Night 1.

I wanted to push funnygurl yesterday because of the roleblock but that risked having me be outted, so I made that "gamble" that funnygurl was town and told her to vote Duk3 instead to help my self-pres. Also why I kept fixating on the numerator ability--- I was trying to guess if it was blocked and nothing happened, or the regular "nothing happened" happened and nothing happened.

I would like to hear others' thoughts on this matter now

thesunfanToday at 1:05 PM
STOP
@everyone OOTC has been turned off
Please stop posting in here for the time being

DaBackpack 06-23-2020 12:12 PM

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Regarding the OOTC off thing. Xiz, bolth, and Haku were listed as "Offline" at the moment this happened. funnygurl was "Away".

The phase started at 1pm EST, and OOTC was turned off at 1:05pm EST, immediately after the discord chain I posted above. This leads me to think that the OOTC trigger might be related to the actual contents of the posts. If the numerator is related to this at all, it is a passive ability, and the numerator being alive gives the team access to some kind of fuckery.

DaBackpack 06-23-2020 12:15 PM

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on the other hand, this game is "VERY TROLLY" but only "POSSIBLY BASTARD" so the OOTC thing might just be some stupid game quirk

might or might not be worth discussion. still curious to hear ppl's thoughts

DaBackpack 06-23-2020 12:22 PM

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I pulled an all-nighter last night so I'm going to try to get some sleep. I'll be awake with ample time before EoD.

Current feeling is the same as it was yesterday. bolthy and FG are most likely not on a team. (This is not immutable, just an intuition.) A good course of action is to revisit all the past wagons and perform wagonomics. Use this to also predict wolf pairings. Typically I advise against looking for teams before we have any flips but I think 2-wolf teams are an exception, since if any of them come under fire their partner will inexorably be tied to them based on direct interactions.

Likeliest teams are FG/Xiz and bolthy/Haku.

To the two remaining townies--- I'd do this if I wasn't going to take a nap, but go back through the Discord and look for two players that DID NOT really talk to each other, or for conversations that look staged or theater-y. Town players are more likely to authentically engage with other people. Wolf players are more likely to only engage with townies. You won't see a lot of serious, game-solvey W/W interactions. This is evidence we can leverage.

naptime

DaBackpack 06-23-2020 12:28 PM

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related: look for any players with a consistent history of "hedging" their reads, especially if it's about specific players.

for example: if it was the case that Xiz always had funnygurl as "kind of suspicious but could go either way on her," or if he said that he would vote for funnygurl but didn't, that looks really bad for Xiz and FG.

it is very common for wolves to have "light scumreads /null reads" on their partners. wolves don't want to blatantly ignore their partners in their reads, that looks bad. but they also don't want their partner to be in trouble, so they'll usually couch their reads with "I wouldn't be surprised if Funnygurl was a wolf. HOWEVER, I think Duk3 is super wolfy because [loud noises to distract everybody away from funnygurl]"

These are basic TWG tips but they are generally useful. "Look for somebody whose actions speak differently from their words." If somebody has a wolfread on another player but never follows up on it, that's a contradiction.

DaBackpack 06-23-2020 12:29 PM

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Lastly. As sunfan said this is LYLO and all votes are locked in until the end of the game. Don't be stupid please.

DaBackpack 06-23-2020 12:32 PM

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super-lastly, random thought:

It would be really funny if the Numerator's ability only goes into effect once they die, lol.

Xiz 06-23-2020 01:18 PM

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Funny/haku
Funny/bolth
Haku/bolth


DBP unCCíd is huge, wolves missed a great opportunity to CC (or to make this game spicy)

DBP is real here, only a real PR would post before eod

Wolves still have their chat right? Our chat was turned off so Iím assuming they can still ping each other or something

Xiz 06-23-2020 01:22 PM

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I think I always vote haku here? mostly it’s FMPOV

I remember saying ffa was my strongest town in the chat last night, and I think at that point nobody else had FFA as scum during night phase ad much as other players?
I remember haku never really questioned my reads, or asked any follow up to me, but often just threw shade. I can pull these up if needed. I usually just responded with ‘die haku’ to simply write it off as haku being haku
I could absolutely see haku wanting ffa to be the kill there, but the problem is I don’t know who hakus partner would be

I think I might have been right when it was haku/funny but I feel like bolth has been playing a slightly scummier game than usual, but not for any concrete reason from my own, mostly from those who are dead who don’t like bolth.

Xiz 06-23-2020 01:23 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DaBackpack (Post 4732322)
super-lastly, random thought:

It would be really funny if the Numerator's ability only goes into effect once they die, lol.

What Iím afraid of.

For some reason since literally nothing has happened it could be an ability that has missed a lot of the time or something

Xiz 06-23-2020 01:24 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DaBackpack (Post 4732320)
related: look for any players with a consistent history of "hedging" their reads, especially if it's about specific players.

for example: if it was the case that Xiz always had funnygurl as "kind of suspicious but could go either way on her," or if he said that he would vote for funnygurl but didn't, that looks really bad for Xiz and FG.

it is very common for wolves to have "light scumreads /null reads" on their partners. wolves don't want to blatantly ignore their partners in their reads, that looks bad. but they also don't want their partner to be in trouble, so they'll usually couch their reads with "I wouldn't be surprised if Funnygurl was a wolf. HOWEVER, I think Duk3 is super wolfy because [loud noises to distract everybody away from funnygurl]"

These are basic TWG tips but they are generally useful. "Look for somebody whose actions speak differently from their words." If somebody has a wolfread on another player but never follows up on it, that's a contradiction.

This is so stupid for you to say now, should have withheald this to use as ammo for later, now you probably canít use this argument correctly anymore

Xiz 06-23-2020 01:26 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DaBackpack (Post 4732318)
on the other hand, this game is "VERY TROLLY" but only "POSSIBLY BASTARD" so the OOTC thing might just be some stupid game quirk

might or might not be worth discussion. still curious to hear ppl's thoughts

Iím pretty sure at this point itís ďchoose something and if you guessed correctly by next phase you get a _______Ē

Xiz 06-23-2020 01:30 PM

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I could make the argument for funny where she hasn’t been playing as typical funny, no gifs or any super loud remakes if that makes sense, she felt more conservative this game?

DaBackpack 06-23-2020 01:31 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Xiz (Post 4732331)
This is so stupid for you to say now, should have withheald this to use as ammo for later, now you probably canít use this argument correctly anymore

I knew fully well that this stops working as soon as I brought it up, but I still 100% think it is worth bringing up NOW because it doesn't retroactively affect the previous two phases and... well, it's LYLO. I could have waited til later in the phase but I felt like I needed to give town specific instructions because I wasn't going to be here to lead until the evening. And I absolutely want to come back to this thread and see scumhunting.

(I actually have a conference call at 2:30pm so I'm just postponed my nap until ~3pm)

Xiz 06-23-2020 01:34 PM

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YO WAIT I GOT THE GAME SOLVED

Haku pinged funny after I coined funny/haku as a team, and for some reason haku immediately pinged funny (this was right after the flip like by 12 mins or so)


What if...

Haku accidentally @ funny in the wrong chat
Because during that time funny was there and green online, but never responded until like a bunch later

If anyone remembers that that would really amazing but I’d have to rely on Bolton/
DBP and I can’t remember who was there

DaBackpack 06-23-2020 01:34 PM

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[quote=Xiz;4732328]


DBP unCCíd is huge, wolves missed a great opportunity to CC (or to make this game spicy)



I'm not gonna dwell on this but to my knowledge, you (Xiz) are the only player who has checked the thread (and potentially the discord) since today started

just as an FYI

Xiz 06-23-2020 01:35 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DaBackpack (Post 4732336)
I knew fully well that this stops working as soon as I brought it up, but I still 100% think it is worth bringing up NOW because it doesn't retroactively affect the previous two phases and... well, it's LYLO. I could have waited til later in the phase but I felt like I needed to give town specific instructions because I wasn't going to be here to lead until the evening. And I absolutely want to come back to this thread and see scumhunting.

(I actually have a conference call at 2:30pm so I'm just postponed my nap until ~3pm)

I see your point. Think itís wrong still, but Iíve been 100% wrong this game so

Xiz 06-23-2020 01:36 PM

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[quote=DaBackpack;4732338]
Quote:

Originally Posted by Xiz (Post 4732328)


DBP unCCíd is huge, wolves missed a great opportunity to CC (or to make this game spicy)



I'm not gonna dwell on this but to my knowledge, you (Xiz) are the only player who has checked the thread (and potentially the discord) since today started

just as an FYI

I guess, but if you are fake and the real PR missed posting before EOD then thatís a big throw on their part, and such a low chance imo that i donít want to consider it a real world for my own sanity sake.

Xiz 06-23-2020 01:40 PM

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I’d put bolth above funny and haku here for the sole reason of sheep it dead town, can’t think of any good wolf argument that can hold up atm


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