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inDheart 10-22-2018 11:53 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by the sun fan (Post 4652352)
roundbox?

thought his reads just now would be above the d0 threshold tbh, he actually has ideas of candidates

Charu 10-22-2018 11:53 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hakulyte (Post 4652363)
Is EoD in 10 minutes or this is night talk of the phase after it ?

Day ends in 7 minutes, bub

DaBackpack 10-22-2018 11:54 PM

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haku lol

Hakulyte 10-22-2018 11:54 PM

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Okay then I will never miss a EoD. I was certain every phases ended 1 hour earlier because 11 pm server time.

Charu 10-22-2018 11:54 PM

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Also, thesunfan

I would vote roundbox here. He made a discussion happen and made us think about the game. Intentions aside, I say that's a good reason to keep him around regardless of alignment.

the sun fan 10-22-2018 11:54 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by inDheart (Post 4652366)
thought his reads just now would be above the d0 threshold tbh, he actually has ideas of candidates

alright fine I am artificially raising my d0 threshold

DaBackpack 10-22-2018 11:55 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hakulyte (Post 4652369)
Okay then I will never miss a EoD. I was certain every phases ended 1 hour earlier because 11 pm server time.

how about you do something

Charu 10-22-2018 11:55 PM

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omg

WOULDN'T

Charu 10-22-2018 11:55 PM

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I WOULDN'T VOTE for Roundbox

the sun fan 10-22-2018 11:55 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Charu (Post 4652373)
omg

WOULDN'T

I got it

roundbox 10-22-2018 11:55 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Charu (Post 4652370)
Also, thesunfan

I would vote roundbox here. He made a discussion happen and made us think about the game. Intentions aside, I say that's a good reason to keep him around regardless of alignment.

wait what LMFAO

Precarious 10-22-2018 11:55 PM

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Possible scum: Mellon, Roundbox, maybe Charu.

I feel town on DBP and Syhto. MML gets a town rating based on the tell. Everyone else is sort of mushy at this point. inD's close to town, as is Funny; I have mixed feelings on Sunfan. Not prepared to evaluate Haku or Manti based on what they've done so far.

DaBackpack 10-22-2018 11:55 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Charu (Post 4652370)
Also, thesunfan

I would vote roundbox here. He made a discussion happen and made us think about the game. Intentions aside, I say that's a good reason to keep him around regardless of alignment.

???????

theknightsofneeee 10-22-2018 11:55 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Funnygurl555 (Post 4652356)
hes always been the type to post infrequently but make... walls... of text yeah?

again this is meta but prec is the nullisst of nulls to me

Quote:

Originally Posted by Funnygurl555 (Post 4652365)
i think she should know better + is grasping at straws sonce she doesnt have other things to go on rn

I don't understand why, if perc is null to you, you are taking offense to mellon pushing him?

you don't even have him as a villager, that seems really contradictory/doesn't make sense mindset wise.


you shouldn't like people pushing your villagers, sure. but people pushing people you're null on seems really weird.

FreezinIce 10-22-2018 11:55 PM

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Votecount from below

Roundbox (2): MML, thesunfan
Charu (2): , funnygirl, DaBackpack
MML (2): Manti, Syhto
Theknightsofneee (1): Hakulyte
Mellon_collie (1): indheart
Funnygirl (1): Charu
Precarious (2): theknightsofneee, mellon_collie

Unvote (3): Precarious, WV, Roundbox

EoD in 5 mins

DaBackpack 10-22-2018 11:55 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Charu (Post 4652374)
I WOULDN'T VOTE for Roundbox

oh llol

Hakulyte 10-22-2018 11:56 PM

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If there's a posting requirement does that mean we can ignore anti-pearl ?

What are the wagons ?

Charu 10-22-2018 11:56 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Precarious (Post 4652377)
Possible scum: Mellon, Roundbox, maybe Charu.

I feel town on DBP and Syhto. MML gets a town rating based on the tell. Everyone else is sort of mushy at this point. inD's close to town, as is Funny; I have mixed feelings on Sunfan. Not prepared to evaluate Haku or Manti based on what they've done so far.

This dude's a wolf now, gg.

the sun fan 10-22-2018 11:56 PM

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I hope Manti is a wolf becuase that would mean today is hard for my own damn fault instead of it being my own damn fault

DaBackpack 10-22-2018 11:56 PM

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I think sunfan might be town

roundbox 10-22-2018 11:56 PM

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funnygurl maybe??

Hakulyte 10-22-2018 11:56 PM

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Who's neee replacing ? Anti-pearl ?

Charu 10-22-2018 11:56 PM

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precarious

theknightsofneeee 10-22-2018 11:56 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hakulyte (Post 4652382)
If there's a posting requirement does that mean we can ignore anti-pearl ?

What are the wagons ?

i subbed in for anti - pearl

Syhto 10-22-2018 11:56 PM

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I really don't like the way Mellon is playing but if it is typical for her then I will look past it for now. I can see what you mean roundbox, about timing, but I disagree.

What is the good reason to vote for prec? I will believe DBP is town for the moment. Prec or MML would be alright with me to go.

the sun fan 10-22-2018 11:57 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Precarious (Post 4652377)
Possible scum: Mellon, Roundbox, maybe Charu.

I feel town on DBP and Syhto. MML gets a town rating based on the tell. Everyone else is sort of mushy at this point. inD's close to town, as is Funny; I have mixed feelings on Sunfan. Not prepared to evaluate Haku or Manti based on what they've done so far.

this is stupendously consensus

MixMasterLar 10-22-2018 11:57 PM

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wait why is SunFan voting RB?

Yes I know I said vote him

Yes I know I said I didn't care

But I didn't expect SunFan to do that

roundbox 10-22-2018 11:57 PM

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hey let's not play 5-way kitb
I realize I just contributed to it but wow

DaBackpack 10-22-2018 11:57 PM

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Charu
give you last will

the sun fan 10-22-2018 11:57 PM

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precarious sorry bud those reads don't feel so good

DaBackpack 10-22-2018 11:57 PM

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i have paid no attention to prec this game, he feels like a regular robot

theknightsofneeee 10-22-2018 11:58 PM

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can prec fake posts like his big reads list as a wolf?

cause i kinda liked it

Charu 10-22-2018 11:58 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DaBackpack (Post 4652394)
Charu
give you last will

I'm not a wolf, you're reading way too hard, but good thing my role is nothing of importance.

Other than that


MixMasterLar 10-22-2018 11:58 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Charu (Post 4652388)
precarious

.....Fucking why?


Dude I give I just don't understand anymore I clearly can't get in the mindset tonight

Precarious 10-22-2018 11:58 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Charu (Post 4652383)
This dude's a wolf now, gg.

Because I disagree with you, or because you're on my list?

Charu

That switch was way too abrupt from you.

the sun fan 10-22-2018 11:58 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Precarious (Post 4652354)
Charu - I've never been able to parse his style of play; it moves too quickly. I'm actually much more suspicious of him than I usually am, since the immediate defense after mellon's microcase felt sort of like buddying, and I feel like I'm susceptible to that sort of thing. His focus on Pearl was...interesting, but I actually buy that from him--it felt like a genuine view on the game.

you have maybe scum on Charu after this friend?

Funnygurl555 10-22-2018 11:58 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by theknightsofneeee (Post 4652379)
I don't understand why, if perc is null to you, you are taking offense to mellon pushing him?

you don't even have him as a villager, that seems really contradictory/doesn't make sense mindset wise.


you shouldn't like people pushing your villagers, sure. but people pushing people you're null on seems really weird.

she may very well be hitting a wolf, but i dont think shes doing so for the right reasons, which i think is suspicious. i wish i could elaborate more but eh. ill try later

theknightsofneeee 10-22-2018 11:59 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Precarious (Post 4652354)
mellon_collie - Not a whole lot of content from this slot. Agreed with Charu a couple times early, otherwise has mostly blended in. Not sure what to make of the mini case against me. Usually I view those positively, but given her lack of anything up until now, it came across as opportunistic. Sort of pushing at an easy-ish case that wasn't really there.

inDheart - Most people I ended up tone reading; inD was different. He was the first person to sort of break out of the joke phase—it wasn't so much a serious post as it was a “let's get going” post. It sort of simulated content without actually saying anything, but then there wasn't really anything to analyze at that point. Seemed to return to joke/conversation posting after that first effort didn't really take. I feel a little uncomfortable about his approach toward Pearl; it was really casual about the potential lynch (compared to how Charu was), but his logic for it was about the same as mine in the end. Something about his tone seemed slightly off for a while, but it corrected itself later in the day, and he's been interacting with different people/situations without feeling scattershot about it.

Wayward Vagabond - I never know how to feel about WV, since I've seen him start like this before--pretty jokey, not necessarily a lot of content early. That's been town in the past, and I have a tendency to overscrutinize that type of play because it isn't immediately helpful. He's been more entertaining this time though.

DaBackpack - Not a lot to go on here, but feels town-leaning to me. The Syhto analysis in 261 was decent. Tone feels good—combination of casual chat and probing. Has been pretty active throughout.

roundbox - I feel a bit nervous about this slot. I like the willing to discuss set-up elements. RB felt a little nervous/aggressive responding to all the chatter he stirred up earlier, but that tends to happen under scrutiny. Was very skeptical of the Pearl pseudo-wagon, repeatedly analyzing everyone involved with it, to the point that I felt like they might be the same alignment. Hasn't really interacted much with neeee though since the replacement.

Funnygurl555
- Has been more involved than usual. Way more game-sided conversation/analysis than I've seen from Funny on D0s before. I don't know if that means anything, bad or good, but I'm inclined to view it positively--in general, I find meta overrated anyway.

DarkManticoreX2 - Busy obviously, and what is there isn't enough for me to feel confident in an assessment. 237 is interesting, but it feels almost internally contradictory with how it's phrased.

Charu - I've never been able to parse his style of play; it moves too quickly. I'm actually much more suspicious of him than I usually am, since the immediate defense after mellon's microcase felt sort of like buddying, and I feel like I'm susceptible to that sort of thing. His focus on Pearl was...interesting, but I actually buy that from him--it felt like a genuine view on the game.

theknightsofneeee (formerly Anti-Pearl) - Pearl obviously didn't exist. Knights is pretty self-assured, but having never played with them I don't know what to think of that.

Running out of time, so here's what I have so far.


wait

everyone responded to his other reads list

but no one responded to this?

lol

the sun fan 10-22-2018 11:59 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by theknightsofneeee (Post 4652397)
can prec fake posts like his big reads list as a wolf?

cause i kinda liked it

absolutely he can

he comes from a family of stonemasons; good at building walls you see

FreezinIce 10-22-2018 11:59 PM

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Any votes cast at 10:01 or later won't count. You can keep talking though

DaBackpack 10-22-2018 11:59 PM

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charu reads

roundbox 10-22-2018 11:59 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Funnygurl555 (Post 4652402)
she may very well be hitting a wolf, but i dont think shes doing so for the right reasons, which i think is suspicious. i wish i could elaborate more but eh. ill try later

you think she's bussing d1? this is the only way this would be suspicious if you think prec is town, but clearly you don't with your initial line

inDheart 10-22-2018 11:59 PM

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i think i am holding steady

don't want roundbox or charu wagons
the mml one that i think exists is slightly shruggier
prec ok, def lacks a certain spark from town games past / informative reads

Syhto 10-23-2018 12:00 AM

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Eh
....
Idk what the count is.......

Whatever

prec

Dunno if it's too late

DaBackpack 10-23-2018 12:00 AM

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prec wagon is cfd

Funnygurl555 10-23-2018 12:00 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by roundbox (Post 4652407)
you think she's bussing d1? this is the only way this would be suspicious if you think prec is town, but clearly you don't with your initial line

no...

ehhhh eod here now

theknightsofneeee 10-23-2018 12:00 AM

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idk

i feel unsure if prec is actually gonna be a wolf here but meh

Syhto 10-23-2018 12:00 AM

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Ok cool

Precarious 10-23-2018 12:00 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by the sun fan (Post 4652401)
you have maybe scum on Charu after this friend?

After Xiz last game, I realized I have a tendency to give people too much slack when they come to support me. Jumping to my defense felt unnecessary.

inDheart 10-23-2018 12:01 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by theknightsofneeee (Post 4652403)
wait

everyone responded to his other reads list

but no one responded to this?

lol

can't compare rn but feels hedgier than usual

theknightsofneeee 10-23-2018 12:01 AM

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i guess like 3 of my villas are on here?

maybe?

Charu 10-23-2018 12:01 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DaBackpack (Post 4652406)
charu reads

1. Mellonxcollie - ???
2. indheart - Town
3. Wayward Vagabond - ??? Maybe wolfin'
4. DaBackpack - POOP FACE, but probably town
5. Precarious - wolf
6. Roundbox - ???? leaning town
7. Funnygirl555 - leaning wolf
8. DarkManticoreX2 - ??????
9. Charu
10. Anti-Pearl - Town for now
11. Syhto - Town for emotion
12. MML - ???????? leaning town
13. Sunfan - town
14. Hakulyte - ?????

Funnygurl555 10-23-2018 12:01 AM

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THERES NIGHT TALK OH MY GOD

the sun fan 10-23-2018 12:02 AM

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I'm not talking at night

FreezinIce 10-23-2018 12:02 AM

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Tabulating votes...

theknightsofneeee 10-23-2018 12:03 AM

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oh i didnt' know there was night chat

inDheart 10-23-2018 12:03 AM

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that was something

am i seriously solo on mellon

Funnygurl555 10-23-2018 12:04 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by the sun fan (Post 4652420)
I'm not talking at night

i freaking am ima post my thoughts

in the morning it's been real yall

theknightsofneeee 10-23-2018 12:04 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by inDheart (Post 4652423)
that was something

am i seriously solo on mellon

was about to ask why you stayed on mellon

seems weird

inDheart 10-23-2018 12:05 AM

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i'm probably here for final vc but then should actually fix the damn computer

FreezinIce 10-23-2018 12:05 AM

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Final VC

Roundbox (1): MML
Charu (3): , funnygirl, DaBackpack, Precarious
MML (1): Manti
Theknightsofneee (1): Hakulyte
Mellon_collie (1): indheart
Funnygirl (1): Roundbox
Precarious (5): theknightsofneee, mellon_collie, Charu, thesunfan, Syhto

Unvote (1): WV

5 mins to let me know if this is incorrect.

As a reminder, night talk is on. And you can all talk till I officially kill you. Then you can't. Lol

theknightsofneeee 10-23-2018 12:06 AM

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wv being here for most of EoD and not voting is wolfy

inDheart 10-23-2018 12:06 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by theknightsofneeee (Post 4652425)
was about to ask why you stayed on mellon

seems weird

the way people were talking about her i thought it was real

Charu 10-23-2018 12:06 AM

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What in the world, I didn't die

Syhto 10-23-2018 12:06 AM

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A few people defending Mellon and the lack of knowledge from her past games, and content from this game had me thinking I should refrain from acting on my suspicion now, but it is definitely there.

theknightsofneeee 10-23-2018 12:07 AM

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prec that means you can give last minute reads if you're a villager

if you're still here hit us up with who is wolfy from EoD

and who you think are possible wolves voting you

gogogo

the sun fan 10-23-2018 12:07 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Charu (Post 4652430)
What in the world, I didn't die

yeah I know rub it in why don't ya

theknightsofneeee 10-23-2018 12:08 AM

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also i'm kinda surprised that the prec wagon took off the way it did.

i voted him as a pressure vote to get him to participate in EoD a bit more and then it kinda took a life of its own.

interesting

Charu 10-23-2018 12:08 AM

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Anyways, if I'm not dead, heya wolves, you can do what the heck you want with me, I'm gonna assume my role is just passive or whatever so...

theknightsofneeee 10-23-2018 12:08 AM

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sunfan talk to me about your change from charu to prec?

Charu 10-23-2018 12:09 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by theknightsofneeee (Post 4652434)
also i'm kinda surprised that the prec wagon took off the way it did.

i voted him as a pressure vote to get him to participate in EoD a bit more and then it kinda took a life of its own.

interesting

To be honest, I was tempted to vote myself, but then prec made a statement saying I was scum after... he didn't say I was scum? It was kind of last minute and made me go "lol, okay."

Precarious 10-23-2018 12:10 AM

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Indeed I can.

First, you're all terrible at this game. Secondly, I urge everyone to follow the basics of the mechanics I set out. Investigators, tracker/watchers, etc. should all report immediately, as all roles are one-shot in nature.

Pay attention to how that wagon developed.

Mellon is my actual top suspect; I went with Charu because he was top 3 and was the alternate wagon at the moment. My top town reads remain; I'm souring on Sunfan, whose analysis felt opportunistic.

Truthfully, I don't have any super strong definitive reads on D1; that's how this game works, but that's also why voting someone visible on D1 is dumb. I'm this game's Gradient.

the sun fan 10-23-2018 12:10 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by theknightsofneeee (Post 4652436)
sunfan talk to me about your change from charu to prec?

prec's scumreads (and townreads too) were too consensus at the end, which is something I (think that I) noticed about him from the FE game when he was a wolf.

Charu also just kinda peaced idk that was really, really odd. I... believe the claim though... for more than one reason (this is not mechanical info in any way I'm just saying I believe it)

the sun fan 10-23-2018 12:11 AM

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sorry that was one paragraph too soon

I think charu peacing like that is... unlikely to come from wolf charu, especially when pressured on d0 like that

roundbox 10-23-2018 12:11 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Charu (Post 4652435)
Anyways, if I'm not dead, heya wolves, you can do what the heck you want with me, I'm gonna assume my role is just passive or whatever so...

giving_information_to_the_wolves.txt

plz don't talk about your blue status, phasing or not

FreezinIce 10-23-2018 12:11 AM

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Precarious is dead

Night 1 begins now and ends in 23 hours and 49 mins.

Charu 10-23-2018 12:13 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Precarious (Post 4652438)
Indeed I can.

First, you're all terrible at this game.

Hey man, I just saw something and went "lol okay" after being told by majority they were fine with me being lynched.

Call it a reflex action, but I truly believed you were wolfing there at the end.

the sun fan 10-23-2018 12:14 AM

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everyone is indeed terrible precarious
sorry if you're town and still sorry if you're a wolf

Charu 10-23-2018 12:14 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by roundbox (Post 4652442)
giving_information_to_the_wolves.txt

plz don't talk about your blue status, phasing or not

I mean, I said it plainly as I could what I am, it's actually quite useless.

Syhto 10-23-2018 12:15 AM

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I'm going to try to sleep. I'll think more about how I feel concerning the Prec lynch.

The whole Charu wagon was odd to me, more off than the Prec wagon. He was leaning town, then outing his role choice seemed like a good and genuine town move. I would not want to lose him as town this early in the game. These last minute all over the place wagons are a fucking bitch. I don't remember it ever being like this before. Y'all are nuts.


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