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Boatz 07-31-2007 02:36 PM

Amateur Tier Points
 
Its a great system, the tier point system. Truly. But if only a handful of people can handle them, then its hardly fun for use common sub 5,000 rank peasants.

So, I think a good thing would to be introduce a whole new set of requirements for the easy songs and have an Amateur points system. Or at least be allowed to get Tier Points on this system from easier songs.

Any takers?

EDIT --OK, these are the songs to do reqs for. If you support this, it would be greatly appricated idf you could sumbit some reqs for them. Post them here, PM me, or e-mail me.

Songs!!!

[2.5/6 - Standard]
24 (D) Alpha Helix (369 Notes / BPM 155)
24 (S) Secret Zombie Room (367 Notes / BPM 170)
24 (D) Dendrite (520 Notes / BPM 180)
25 (F) My When Clones I Am Out Many (519 Notes / BPM 110)
25 (M) See You Dance (516 Notes / BPM 140)
25 (M) She Bangs William Hung Version (188 Notes / BPM 140)
26 (T) CIA Rave V2 (545 Notes / BPM 160)
26 (S) La Luna Caida (373 Notes / BPM 175)
26 (D) I Can See The Light (480 Notes / BPM 138)
27 (D) Below The Surface (332 Notes / BPM 140)
27 (M) Libertine (481 Notes / BPM 134)
27 (D) Massive (ffr remix) (348 Notes / BPM 180)
28 (R) Straight To Video (902 Notes / BPM 123)
28 (F) Slap Guitar 2 (489 Notes / BPM 126)
28 (D) Life Goes On (397 Notes / BPM 178)
29 (D) That Tethnic Vibe (424 Notes / BPM 130)
29 (M) 8-Bit Day Dreamer (372 Notes / BPM 140)
29 (S) Burnout (450 Notes / BPM 150)
30 (A) One Last Battle (575 Notes / BPM 180)
30 (A) Boss Machine (575 Notes / BPM 160)
30 (D) Breaking The Common (567 Notes / BPM 180)
31 (D) Save Me (498 Notes / BPM 180)
31 (T) Silence v2 (547 Notes / BPM 140)
31 (F) Lesson (399 Notes / BPM 163?)

[3/6 - Tricky]
32 (D) Contra- distinction (307 Notes / BPM 120)
32 (H) The Essential (390 Notes / BPM 109)
33 (P) Stay With Me (V2) (555 Notes / BPM 100)
33 (M) Ball of Malt (430 Notes / BPM 200)
34 (R) Until The End (448 Notes / BPM 110)
34 (A) Crystalis - House Leaves (Remix) (282 Notes / BPM 127)
35 (A) Final Fantasy 7 Battle (806 Notes / BPM 168)[*]
35 (F) Zodiac (583 Notes / BPM 107)
36 (A) Metalman Goes Clubbing (463 Notes / BPM 144)
36 (D) Parachute (stupid clowns) (469 Notes / BPM 160)
36 (F) Prototypical (845 Notes / BPM 133)
36 (F) Let Me Be Your Pirate (593 Notes / BPM 128)
37 (D) Blank Knowing (389 Notes / BPM 180)
37 (S) Fett's Vette (505 Notes / BPM 115)
37 (M) Horizon (573 Notes / BPM 126)
37 (D) Emotions (500 Notes / BPM 140)
37 (S) Ingenuity (391 Notes / BPM 135)
38 (M) January's Song (631 Notes / BPM 140)
38 (H) Just Died (768 Notes / BPM 150)
38 (M) From Mount Chorus (1051 Notes / BPM 220)
38 (F) Play It Funky (500 Notes / BPM 131)
38 (ST) First Try (452 Notes / BPM 133)
39 (M) Honolulu (340 Notes / BPM 136)
39 (F) Expedite (514 Notes / BPM 144)
39 (F) Let Mom Sleep (485 Notes / BPM 136)
39 (A) Legend of Zelda Remix (294 Notes / BPM 140-110)

[3.5/6 - Difficult]
40 (M) Elements (527 Notes / BPM 56-124)
40 (P) Song For The Nihonjins (1426 Notes / BPM 120)
40 (D) Pondering Stuff (337 Notes / BPM 173)
40 (ST) Manhattan Sapphire (945 Notes / BPM 106)
40 (R) Cash Cow (1002 Notes / BPM 160)
40 (D) Kick It (588 Notes / BPM 160)
41 (S) Noir Remixed (554 Notes / BPM 170)
41 (D) Norgers (456 Notes / BPM 121)
41 (F) {Losing Touch} (728 Notes / BPM 188)
41 (A) 4F73R M3 (FFR edit) (888 Notes / BPM 110)
42 (R) Last Firstborn (575 Notes / BPM 134)
42 (C) Hungarian Dance #5 (563 Notes / BPM 140)
42 (M) Bicycle Break (1442 Notes / BPM 90-180)
43 (ST) Spontaneous Hydroxide v2 (600 Notes / BPM 140)
43 (S) Water Like Pudding (520 Notes / BPM 126)
43 (D) Halogen (784 Notes / BPM 140)
43 (M) Platypus (412 Notes / BPM 130)
44 (D) Stalled Out and Sushi Bars (594 Notes / BPM 125)
44 (T) Psychosis (903 Notes / BPM 163)
45 (M) Get Ready 2 Rokk (1077 Notes / BPM 95)
45 (S) FFR Evolution (765 Notes / BPM 140)
46 (D) World of Dreams (1056 Notes / BPM 140)
46 (S) Green Twilight FFR Edit (625 Notes / BPM 140)
46 (S) Synesthetic (769 Notes / BPM 146)
46 (M) Domani (865 Notes / BPM 107)
47 (A) Bubble Bobble Hillbilly Rodeo (722 Notes / BPM 138)
47 (M) Science Genius Girl (lameboy mix) (842 Notes / BPM 138)
47 (D) Beethoven Virus (459 Notes / BPM 162)
47 (M) Improvisation et Chien (329 Notes / BPM 140)

[4/6 - Very Difficult]
48 (D) Resurrection in Progress (681 Notes / BPM 138)
48 (T) Roller Coaster Ride (608 Notes / BPM 145)
48 (D) Palindrome (437 Notes / BPM 155-165)
48 (T) Tsugaru 180 New Version (644 Notes / BPM 180)
49 (D) Start Something (368 Notes / BPM 140)
49 (R) Victims And Martyrs (1194 Notes / BPM 179)
49 (D) Troglodytic Epica (1482 Notes / BPM 60-135)
49 (D) Chaotic Sound (950 Notes / BPM 140)
49 (D) Coactive (805 Notes / BPM 120)
49 (C) Maple Leaf Rag (1155 Notes / BPM 108)
49 (D) Moonbeam (885 Notes / BPM 140)
50 (A) Tetris Remix (546 Notes / BPM 157)
50 (D) Hanabi (976 Notes / BPM 140)
50 (D2) Sunshine Stone (870 Notes / BPM 138)
50 (ST) Spinning With You (876 Notes / BPM 100)
51 (P) Courage (832 Notes / BPM 140)
51 (D2) Destiny (612 Notes / BPM 175)
51 (D2) That is Fair (590 Notes / BPM 125)
51 (C) Fig Leaf Rag (1120 Notes / BPM 100)
51 (D2) Incognito (754 Notes / BPM 150)
52 (D2) X-Dreamer Final Cut (608 Notes / BPM 135)
52 (S) Lethal Injection (1074 Notes / BPM 139)
52 (P) Night Of Flight (1574 Notes / BPM 150)
52 (D2) Tribal Revival (999 Notes / BPM 140)
53 (D2) Brightone (704 Notes / BPM 155)
53 (T) Xuxa (706 Notes / BPM 160)
53 (D2) Mercury Lamp (1049 Notes / BPM 147)
53 (D2) Thinking Different (902 Notes / BPM 113)
53 (M) Euthanasia (814 Notes / BPM 135)
53 (D2) DT Rabbit Blood Festival (1085 Notes / BPM 170)
53 (T) Samurai Road (700 Notes / BPM 160)
54 (T) {Satori} (831 Notes / BPM 110)
54 (T) Sifon (965 Notes / BPM 138)
54 (D2) Sky Dive (755 Notes / BPM 170)
54 (D2) Solitude Sun (725 Notes / BPM 175)
54 (T) Hardcore of the North (999 Notes / BPM 110-170)
55 (C) Jurs OP (541 Notes / BPM 23-220)
55 (M) Go Go Go Power Rangers (533 Notes / BPM 180)
55 (D2) Harry Potter Techno Remix (607 Notes / BPM 180)
55 (D2) {Firestorm} (1010 Notes / BPM 130)
55 (P) NeoMAX (702 Notes / BPM 170)
56 (T) Anubis (565 Notes / BPM 110)
56 (D2) Deep Breath (792 Notes / BPM 135)
56 (T) Forza Azzuri (856 Notes / BPM 165)
57 (S) Visions (NRGyzd mix) (1350 Notes / BPM 150)
57 (M) {Red Alert} (496 Notes / BPM 185)
57 (F) Youkoso! Himitsu no suzume bara ya! (724 Notes / BPM 151)
58 (D2) J219 (Ura-Rokkou Mix) (866 Notes / BPM 160)
58 (D2) Sensorium (1424 Notes / BPM 136)
58 (D2) Sepia (762 Notes / BPM 142)
59 (A) The Games We Played, Part 2 (693 Notes / BPM 19-225)
59 (S) MAX Forever (2709 Notes / BPM 300)

[TeRa] 07-31-2007 02:41 PM

Re: Amateur Tier Points
 
Tier points are here for the skilled players, Hence why they are hard to get

Amateur Tier point system MIGHT be overrun by skilled players anyway being most of them have AAAd all the easy songs in the game.

It could work out I guess, but chances are slim.

sarahxjane 07-31-2007 02:44 PM

Re: Amateur Tier Points
 
I'm all for this.

Boatz 07-31-2007 02:50 PM

Re: Amateur Tier Points
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by [TeRa] (Post 1699786)
Amateur Tier point system MIGHT be overrun by skilled players anyway being most of them have AAAd all the easy songs in the game.

One way it could work is that once you have so many ATPs, it changes automattically to a normal TP. Then, anyone hogging the top of the board will be knocked off as all of their points will have been converted.

At any rate, I'm just glad that my idea hasn't been shot down in flames yet.

jugglinguy 07-31-2007 02:53 PM

Re: Amateur Tier Points
 
I'm all for having the less skilled players working to get better and better. I think that there should be a whole seperate page for this, but not a top players board because if you're the best in ATP then you should just move onto regular tierpoints. Or have someone manually take out the pros.

jimerax 07-31-2007 02:59 PM

Re: Amateur Tier Points
 
ok, a req for you.

#1. Free Space (FFR Edit):
(5)- AAA (91,450)
(4)- 5 or fewer (90,075)
(3)- Single Digit Good (88,975)
(2)- 20 or fewer (85,950)
(1)- 30 or fewer (83,200)

[TeRa] 07-31-2007 02:59 PM

Re: Amateur Tier Points
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Boatz (Post 1699802)
One way it could work is that once you have so many ATPs, it changes automattically to a normal TP. Then, anyone hogging the top of the board will be knocked off as all of their points will have been converted.

At any rate, I'm just glad that my idea hasn't been shot down in flames yet.

That idea I like, it could definitely work out.

Evascythe 07-31-2007 03:05 PM

Re: Amateur Tier Points
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jimerax (Post 1699814)
ok, a req for you.

#1. Free Space (FFR Edit):
(5)- AAA (91,450)
(4)- 5 or fewer (90,075)
(3)- Single Digit Good (88,975)
(2)- 20 or fewer (85,950)
(1)- 30 or fewer (83,200)

cool i own this division

xplayfan 07-31-2007 03:08 PM

Re: Amateur Tier Points
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jimerax (Post 1699814)
ok, a req for you.

#1. Free Space (FFR Edit):
(5)- AAA (91,450)
(4)- 5 or fewer (90,075)
(3)- Single Digit Good (88,975)
(2)- 20 or fewer (85,950)
(1)- 30 or fewer (83,200)

Why does 5 or fewer give more points than a single digit good?

nintendorules 07-31-2007 03:16 PM

Re: Amateur Tier Points
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by xplayfan (Post 1699829)
Why does 5 or fewer give more points than a single digit good?


sdg is 9 goods, 5 or fewer is 5

xplayfan 07-31-2007 03:18 PM

Re: Amateur Tier Points
 
Whoops. Forgot that. When I think single digit good, I think blackflag.

GamerShadow 07-31-2007 03:24 PM

Re: Amateur Tier Points
 
I am all for this division. Would it be just under the regular tier points, or would it be for newbies?

[TeRa] 07-31-2007 03:26 PM

Re: Amateur Tier Points
 
Fixed thanks doug (i had the score's wrong also)

#2. Dendrite:
(6)- AAA (806,000)
(5)- 5 or fewer (804,625)
(4)- Single Digit Good (803,525)
(3)- 20 or fewer (800,500)
(2)- 30 or fewer (797,750)
(1)- 50 or fewer (792,250)

Doug31 07-31-2007 03:46 PM

Re: Amateur Tier Points
 
25 or fewer on dendrite should be worth more than 30 or fewer or free space, so it should be more like AAA/5 or fewer/sdg/20 or fewer/30 or fewer/50 or fewer for dendrite, worth 6/5/4/3/2/1 points, unlike your list, which skipped 4.

Adamaja456 07-31-2007 04:10 PM

Re: Amateur Tier Points
 
I dont really like this idea. If a person wants Tier points, practice, become better at the game, then FC some challenging songs and unlock a few. Like someone said above, Tier points are for skilled players.

I just don't think there should be AMATEUR Tier Points

concertm 07-31-2007 04:18 PM

Re: Amateur Tier Points
 
Wouldn't it make more sense to keep everyone on the same scale? Maybe all songs should have some sort of Tier Point reward. An AAA on Mario would be like .05 Real Tier Points, the same Tier Point used in the top players thread. An AAA on Free Space would be like .1 Tier Points, and so on.

Sniperz14 07-31-2007 04:36 PM

Re: Amateur Tier Points
 
i've only just recently started getting tier points, got like 10 right now, so you just got to stick with it andkeep practicing and then your skills will develope and the requirements will be easier to get.

_pandaman_ 07-31-2007 04:37 PM

Re: Amateur Tier Points
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by concertm (Post 1699935)
Wouldn't it make more sense to keep everyone on the same scale? Maybe all songs should have some sort of Tier Point reward. An AAA on Mario would be like .05 Real Tier Points, the same Tier Point used in the top players thread. An AAA on Free Space would be like .1 Tier Points, and so on.

the thing is, that's already applied. Get so many AAAs and you get a bonus tier point. Sure, to get to your first bonus point its 50 AAAs, but after that it goes quite quickly.

Reach 07-31-2007 04:44 PM

Re: Amateur Tier Points
 
Completely against this.

Good players shouldn't have to play all of the easy songs. They're easy, and all the good players can already AAA them, so there's no point in giving out points for them.

The whole point of the tier system is to show how skilled you really are, not how much you play. Including billions of songs to the list only favors those that play the most FFR and not the most skilled.

And as pandaman already mentioned...you do get tier points for playing easier songs from total # of AAA's.

obie32one 07-31-2007 04:52 PM

Re: Amateur Tier Points
 
I support it.


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