Suspicious scores thread
 

Updated to post #519.

New thread, keep the drama to a minimum. ~nois-or-e


Old thread can be found here.

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*Not a hacked score but the board is wacky because the version was changed for sync http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/levelstats.php?level=1585

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Cool new thread

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i like how vrofl has a whole little subsection to itself even though like ~100 people have it

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I can fix that, it's the old list from the previous thread basically

Edit: Changed.

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Are "accounts to take care of" not necessarily just cheaters? Are they also people who just want their scores wiped for whatever reason they've asked?

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Yes, it basically means that it's been resolved. Cheater or requested scorewipe.

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hmm, was trying to figure out how to subscribe to this thread without posting... but couldn't figure it out.

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condoct: Uses the same speed modifiers as Ziergdsx18.

mind elaborating on this?

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Dossar said that condoct's scores look very similar to Ziergds', and their speed mods are the same in the previous thread

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at the beginning of the other hacked scores thread we discussed this and Dossar thinks Zierg played for condoct. He has no legit proof though, but he doesn't want to let it go.

edit lol ninja'd

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Kayla said condoct asked Ziergdsx18 to get some scores for him in this post. It's a shame that this information doesn't get brought up by others.

Sure thing, but should I also mention who it is an alternate account of? I want this clarified early so I know if I should do that or not.

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So I was in the Eze vs. Zyphoror thread and looked at the do i smile? scoreboard, and out of nowhere I saw this guy

http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...?sub=lourejurs

Uses 2x speedmod and a really recently registered member. Can someone look into this please? (The replays look reasonable, but I'd like an IP check please)

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Beat me to the punch, lmao.

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anaru alt. toasted.

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2 AAAs and Kidney Stone AAA.
http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...?sub=TatsuJiNi

????

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"Kay, let's try 8-bit Day Dreamer...
Hm, seems easy.
Let's try Kidney Stone...
Hm, where's the challenge? I sightread AAA-ed this shit."

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TatsuJiNi's Kidney Stone AAA is botted. Added to "Alt accounts and admitted/obvious hacks"

Also, MrRubix's scores have been removed. Updating the OP.

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Just looked at Crowdpleaser and saw two cheated scores in the top ten:
- Ziergdsx18: Basically the same thing samurai7694 did. Like previously, not going to reveal what he did but the replay shows he didn't actually get the score legitimately on the file
- Dragon Shot: Botted

I also looked at Zyphoror's and surely must've been full out DS in the 64th trill, since six zeroframers were hit.

Also, all five of Dragon Shot's saved replays are physical evidence of botting (even though I understand this is a Velocity alt that I think had a lot of drama back some time ago haha)

Song Results (Perf-Good-Avg-Miss-Boo) Max Combo Score Date
Crowdpleaser 1,229 - 7 - 0 - 0 - 0 1,236 1,913,875 1/5/11
Exciting Hyper Highspeed Star 1,337 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 1,337 2,072,350 1/5/11
Xeno-Flow 1,831 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 1,831 2,838,050 1/5/11
Final Fantasy Last Battle Festival 3,648 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 3,648 5,654,400 1/5/11
Vertex BETA 1,755 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 1,755 2,720,250 1/5/11

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Can we just remove that file from the game and call it a day?

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indeed

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Funny thing is, I was JUST talking with qqwref about that :monkey:

Probably should be moved to legacy or something, it surely doesn't belong in a combo scoring game like this at all - but that discussion isn't appropriate for this thread

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i no its off the topic but can you speed the game up like u use to be able too

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If you mean like actual speeding up in terms of speed mods, then yes.

In other forms, no.

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is this guy legit?
http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/profile/scottiena/

pulling out 38AAAs so far today, lots AAA'd in 4months, high scores happening.
no real reason to suspect anything except seems like out of nowhere

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so because minas score was too good its bs... lmao

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its legit, the 38 AAAs today were on easy songs and ive seen his name consistently for a while

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The way that guy hits patterns is weird as fuc

It looks like someone else might be playing for him. Someone will have to do an IP check

No. An actual analysis was done on this a while ago (and it's linked to the OP)

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Only one other user with a related IP, and his/her scoring history doesn't show anything suspicious.

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Both users with that IP are japanese players, according to bmah

There isn't anything THAT ludicrous and there isn't a suspicious score history (although the other user has his profile closed).

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alright, np. thought id get it checked out

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http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...k.php?sub=50JU
should this be wiped?
wooke's alt i think

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http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...lemonman96%86/

5 points from a AAA on Final Fantasy Last Battle Festival but has the necessary requirements for it to be a AAA (3648-0-0-0-0 with 3648 combo)

Looking at his profile people left comments 4 years ago saying it was a hacked score, and being that his account is 4 years old he did it pretty close to his sign up date.

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I remember lemonman, he's the guy with that "diamond question mark" crap in his username and people forever ago complained how they couldn't access his profile because of it.

http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...man96%EF%BF%BD

Even though his levelranks display nothing except for a Stay With Me v1 AAA, the weird scores he has are probably why they don't show up in his levelranks because they're impossible to achieve with the current scoring system.

lemonman's RunnyMorning AAA doesn't show up in his levelranks either. I'd request a scorewipe since the comments about his RunnyMorning score are also close to his sign up date like you said.

Also, on Final Fantasy Last Battle Festival, Beast&Harlot has an impossible score as well.

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That is really weird, especially since it shows up when you check the stats for FFLBF

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http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/profile/Novelty/
Requesting scorewipe, my alt.

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//Cleared

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Good to see this thread is serving its purpose :O

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A few things I'd like to bring up.

- Not sure why ssbmchamp wasn't scorewiped. His scores show behavior of overlapping over bot play. (I actually showed the "zeroframe" syndrome too)
- On Crowdpleaser, Ziergdsx18's score should be removed (already looked into this)
- Dragon Shot should be scorewiped too. Plethora of evidence that the scores are botted.

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kinda think analimpaction may be an alt or possibly someone from sm but thier scores are kinda sketchy to me.. thier profile is closed.. just somethin seems strange to me..

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analimpaction was in my spring tourney. his/her scores seemed reasonable, they were in D3 and came 3rd. Zek or JJtrix might be able to comment if they read this thread.
all that aside, I have no idea as to anal's legitimacy

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i dont doubt they are d3ish lol but they have some very good scores and alot of mediocre scores , which i do too lol but with profile being closed and them basically pwning d3 in the eternity tourney just brought some suspicion, as i stated i dont think they are cheating but it might jus be someones alt or someone from sm.. like the name of the thread its suspicious scores.. :D they just have a couple fmo sdgs on jumpstreamy stuff so thats why i dont think its a newer player, considering they have speed and accuracy ( and im jelly i cant do js) lol

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i will pwn u, I understand why you might be suspicious. But for future reference, why don't you just contact me directly and express your concerns? If I didn't accidentally bump into this thread I wouldn't have been able to answer your questions. JJTrixX asked me a similar question a couple of weeks ago and I answered him through private messaging.

I played before FFR went down (in 2008?) and haven't really played since creating this account. I have played probably less than 100 games with my other account in the past 5 years. I have more tier points on this account than my other account, so rest assured I'm not trying to lie about my skill level. To confirm this, I'd be happy to disclose my other account's name to Dossar. Alternatively, I'd be fine if the other account was deleted.

I have played most songs only once or twice. This may explain why I have a lot of mediocre scores.

I have my profile closed primarily for privacy reasons. I'm sorry if that raises suspicion.

I hope this answers your questions! :)

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who dat Jack Wolf guy@@@. 5 FGO AAAs, 5 gameplays. WHOSE ALT@@@!@
http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/profile/Jack+Wolf/

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uh this dont really answer anything ... you have 9 clean on makiba not the hardest fmo and 2 clean on monsterous turtles, 7 1 0 1 on vertex, these all js.. then u have 6 0 0 1 on caprice in b minor, aaa on jelly roll blues which is trills.. then you have aaa on stay crunchy wich is jacks.. aaa on blaze which is stream and 2 clean on monsterous turtles, 7 1 0 1 on vertex(thanx for clarifying that zakky).. so basically you can play every type of file(without maybe polyrythms) .. that is not someone who just starts this game .. if you look at most people they have atleast one weakness, mine being js.. your just to well of a rounded player to be in d3 imo and hence the suggestion of being an alt or someone from sm.. you say 100 games in last 5 years then what in the last 3 months u can almost aaa fmos??? and this thread is suspicious scores thread and well, i find your scores suspicious..

privacy issues... that doesnt explain much to why you have it closed .. i mean this is ffr.. what do you even mean.. its suspicious to try to hide idk aaa's, fc's, tp's.. he doesnt say personal reasons.. he says privacy reasons..

pri·va·cy/ˈprīvəsē/
Noun:
The state or condition of being free from being observed or disturbed by other people.
The state of being free from public attention.

Honestly idc if your an alt or someone from sm but your skill level is extremely high for someone who just recently started playing again and hey if im wrong my bad but when your joining all these tourneys and being in lower divisions it takes away from the fun for others.. i dont play for credits so idc if i win or loose i like to see how i do against other people around my level.. but w/e thats just me..

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people have their profiles closed for personal reasons. not everyone is trying to hide their shit for mischievous reasons, christ. a closed profile shouldnt even be anything suspicious ever <__>

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This ^ Closing a profile doesn't hide anything but the profile, score's a simple to look at. Also Verterx Beta and Monstrous Turtles are stream, not JS. He's also not D3, he's D4 in my tournament.

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lol

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I'm not trying to say you're "wrong" as this IS the suspicious scores thread, I was simply stating that he probably isn't cheating, if Doss feels he may be suspicious, he can go look at the frame comparison for his better scores. That alone is usually enough to determine legitimacy.

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i agree zak i dont think hes cheating as i stated.. and i deleted my other post because im really not trying to start drama its just my opinion thats all..

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im closing my profile i dont want you guys to see my bs scores@!!!!

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^it really has nothing to do with why i made my post.. like you both said you can see his scores.. its just a strange response he gave..

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Frame comparison is usually used to look for unnatural frame hitting or bizarre distribution ( such as Mina's RATO replay )

In cases like these it's about alts -- the replays look fine, but it's the question of who's actually playing.

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Alright, so I went through some stuff that should've been dealt with a long time ago but still has been sitting.

- http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...b=Hatsune_Miku alt
- MasterOfTheTaco's scores should be wiped already. There is no reason for his scores to still be up when there's a plethora of evidence for botting
- ssbmchamp has already been proven to have bot play involved in his better scores, and he has a lot of these; they're just overlooked by the overmashed ones that make more sense. Music For Kirby for example is still up and that score had zeroframe syndrome. And this isn't the only one either; there's WWE, RATO, Eclipse, and even more. Honestly should be wiped.
- Ziergdsx18 and Dragon Shot's scores on Crowdpleaser should be removed. I already looked into these a while ago. Dragon Shot should also be scorewiped from botting.
- OpTic NaDeShoT's score on Kidney Stone ( 1617 - 0 - 2 - 0 - 18 ) should be removed. His levelstats show someone that basically has no interest in this game; scorewiping to remove his other two VC scores should also happen.
- percussion15. 25 goods on DP? Bizarre boo scores? This guy should be scorewiped too. His scores make no sense and also suggest zeroframe bot syndrome play from the boos.
- condoct. How has nobody even spoken up about him. Everyone says it's obvious and then none of you even bother ?_?
- Rooobin. lmfao this guy, 102 boos and 2 goods on Legendary Etude, blackflag on blooddrunk, zero goods 98 boos on Sensorium, and a lot of other retarded scores. Scorewipe needed.
- lemonman96's scores on RunnyMorning and Final Fantasy Last Battle Festival need to be removed. Same with Beast&Harlot's impossible score on FFLBF.

One Winged Angel + Jack Wolf = 2x speedmod

Technique on Adventures of Lolo for both = Hit quads on 24ths

I'm 99% sure Jack Wolf is OWA because of this. The technique is basically the same.

Side note

http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...26amp%3BHarlot

Beast&Harlot needs to be wiped too, he has several impossible scores (AIM Anthem, Vertex Beta, etc)

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i will pwn u: I think I gave you a reasonable reply. If you can't accept what I told you then that's your problem and not mine. Do you have something in particular I can do that will make you feel better? I'm not even sure what you're accusing me of.

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pls don't delete the account I use to try and get FGO toilet AAAs

pls...

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I'd like to see proof of Preggers BFing FGOs - otherwise, I'm going to have to call BS on him.

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Whoa whoa wee wah?! I feel so pro now.

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MrPreggers does happen to have quite a lot of late hits in his replays, but they look feasible.

I will say his replays are pretty funny though, sometimes he rolls patterns but then sometimes he just does cohesive jumps in between 2 frame intervals lol, but that's human error. I don't see bot play in this. Alt? A mod would have to check IPs. But this isn't a bot.

Edit: I actually looked at his Trisection replay -- there are sections where he just has a crapload of late hits, but they way it's occuring makes sense.

If you see something like this, it isn't bot play. He just happened to mini-derp the 24th into the jump.

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Mind if I see? On a serious note, I don't cheat..

Well that's a load off my mind.. would hate to be banned because I'm getting better. Thanks!

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Entire replay images aren't necessary since this obviously isn't occuring throughout the entire replay. There are sections where there are sometimes a good amount of early hits too.

On Ketsarku Mozgalom, more examples of derpy human error. A good amount of late hits, but it makes sense.



Also I've seen MrPreggers beast my tournaments, so it's not like he just came out of nowhere. I just think he's a strong player that doesn't realize how late he's hitting on some parts.

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The proof is good enough for me. Sorry for the BS call.

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Just a reminder that this thread isn't for mindless bs calls or troll responses. State your case for someone that you deem to be suspicious, then wait for a response regarding proof. Mindless posting/jokes have no place in here, nor do back-seat mods.

Thanks guys~

Edit: Glad to see that this little scenario had a quick result and a happy ending ;D

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Dude wtf!? So I log in today only to find every score I got gone. You stated in previous posts what songs you said you thought were suspicious and I even told you way back months ago I wouldn't even care if you wiped those scores because I'd easily get my FC's back, whether it be by mashing or actually playing. There is absolutely no need to wipe all my scores. That's complete BS. I'll Gladly show you a replay of me getting a AAA on a level 9 or any other easy ones I had. Plus other people that had suspicious scores got there suspicious score(s) ONLY wiped. I demand that you bring back my scores, at least from levels 1-9 back because that's not fair in relation to how others with a few suspicious scores were dealt with, not to mention I don't feel like playing those stupid synthlight files that took me forever to AAA.

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Take forever more to AAA them. They're no big deal. Chillax brahsefanie.

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The fact you cheated is the reason why all your scores got wiped.

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If you cheat and get your scores wiped, consider yourself lucky you weren't banned.

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Well you just proved my point. On the last page dossar has a list of people (myself included) and lists songs for each that are suspicious. For the other people he says to wipe JUST those scores and for me I get all mine wiped...yeah that makes sense...NOT. With your theory they should be treated the same as me. But since they're not, I believe I should have only had the suspicious ones wiped. That's just unequal treatment because I never cheated every score I had and that could easily be proven.

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Anaru cheated and all his scores are whiped; so you're not the only one who was treated this way.

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you should be glad that you're still allowed to be here. now, stop crying about being wiped and get your scores back the hard way.

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People who are requesting a scorewipe of a particular song usually do so not because they cheated on a score, but rather have no use for it anymore - i.e. they legitimately scored on an alt account for testing purposes, not for breaching the rules of the game. The other obvious fact I should mention is that all of those people openly admit that/make that request.

If you try to cheat and be hush hush about it, then you're prone to being scorewiped if you're caught. Finally, there has been tools developed to more fully confirm if a player is likely cheating or not. Do not say you were "unaware" of your cheating.

Just play by the rules and there should be no problem. It's no different than speeding on the roads - if you don't exceed the limit, you shouldn't get a speeding ticket.

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What you did happened on a lot of songs, and like previously mentioned you aren't the only one that's gotten wiped so it's not like you're suddenly being targeted more harshly than others. It didn't really help with your previous attitude about the "I can play this game however I want" incident where you basically tried backing up things like WWE, DP, and *many other* scores you had which had zeroframe syndrome and bot play.

Did you get all those mash FCs legitimately? Sure, but it isn't good sportsmanship to go against the rules which are clearly stated. I think it's important to mention that they apply to everyone, not just you; this thread isn't for making enemies. Just remember not to breach the rules this time, that's the advice that all of us can give.

Edit: Also turns out MasterofTheTaco got scorewiped as well. I'm running through the list I made on the previous page to see what's been done and what hasn't been done.

Edit 2:


- http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...b=Hatsune_Miku alt This still needs to be looked into, definitely looks like an alternate account
- MasterOfTheTaco Wiped
- ssbmchamp Wiped
- Ziergdsx18 and Dragon Shot's scores on Crowdpleaser should be removed. I already looked into these a while ago. Dragon Shot should also be scorewiped from botting. While Ziergdsx18's Crowdpleaser score was removed, Dragon Shot is still remaining unwiped.
- OpTic NaDeShoT's score on Kidney Stone ( 1617 - 0 - 2 - 0 - 18 ) should be removed. His levelstats show someone that basically has no interest in this game; scorewiping to remove his other two VC scores should also happen. Kidney stone score is still up, apparently an alternate account
- percussion15. 25 goods on DP? Bizarre boo scores? This guy should be scorewiped too. His scores make no sense and also suggest zeroframe bot syndrome play from the boos. Has not been wiped yet
- condoct Still nothing
- Rooobin. lmfao this guy, 102 boos and 2 goods on Legendary Etude, blackflag on blooddrunk, zero goods 98 boos on Sensorium, and a lot of other retarded scores. Scorewipe needed. Wiped
- lemonman96's scores on RunnyMorning and Final Fantasy Last Battle Festival need to be removed. Same with Beast&Harlot's impossible score on FFLBF. Scores are still up.

I'd also like to bring up Velocity, lol..... Dragon Shot and Velocity both have a plethora of botted scores and by the rules they should be scorewiped.

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You guys should wipe my "Takecore Of Yourself" aaa seeing as that wasn't me. It wasn't botted, but someone else got it.

Lol score cheated from back when this account was made. Way to go Middie. Forgot to get it wiped back when I had my alt's scores wiped.

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I know everyone says he's legit but I honestly want to know what's going on with "SK8R43"
his stats in my opinion make no sense....especially since he claims to use only one hand. Just a few things that make no sense to me:

-33 Goods on vertex beta (with 120+ plays) and 4 goods on kyrie
-4 FMO AAA's yet can't AAA bunch of 8's and 9's
-Honestly there are a ton of FMO songs that have a much better PA than some fairly easy 10's

I'm saying all this because I play very similar to his setup and I know what kind of patterns are tough to do. For all I know maybe he's actually using a spread setup, which is fine, but I'm calling BS assuming he only uses 1 hand because I just don't see anyone capable of getting some of those scores 1 handed.

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Not sure why you even bother quoting me on that considering you basically rewrote what I said...my main point for this is that it is "suspicious" to me. I don't know how someone can get 4 goods on kyrie then tell me they can't even FC vertex beta. That to me is enough to be deemed "suspicious."

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Fun fact: Vertex Beta used to be a FMO.

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Go watch Bynary Fission's one handed videos.
SK8R's skill level is very much possible with one hand.

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It doesnt matter if he plays spread or not. His case isnt suspicious in the sense of cheating so whats the point of bitching about in this thread. Nothing is going to happen to him if you find out if he plays spread or not. If it bothers you that much go ask him personally or something, otherwise you are stuck with your suspicion which is your problem. No point in coming into this thread making your problem everyone else's.