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I fucking love it

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i have peaked

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My high school used to send bus loads of kids to go protest, essentially bribing them with an extremely cheap 3-day trip to ottawa with all of their friends that they got to take off school for

Also used to have to counter-protest when I was in university because a local group does a "40 days of life" protest where they literally stand outside the hospital and protest for the entire 40 days of Lent, trying to make sure they have at least one person out there 24 hours a day. A group from the university organized a counter-protest and a lot of random people showed up too

Also had to call the police because another group had extremely graphic banners that they were hanging over the side of the highway. The cop told me "everything they are doing is within the law, you can do whatever you want within the law" essentially telling me to go fuck with them because he couldn't. The city eventually had to pass a bylaw about hanging things over the highway to get them to leave. The same group was passing out EXTREMELY graphic flyers door to door while school was getting out, I had to go up to all my neighbours doors and take them away. A couple of older kids started helping me when they saw

Luckily for us I don't think they will ever get anywhere but that doesn't stop them from trying. and I'm never going to stop counter-protesting or talking about this, even as a Canadian, because you can never get too comfortable.

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So the 4 pro-lifers are pretty active, eh?

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Yeah they are and their goal is to reverse the law, same as happened there, so fuck that

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I don't think being civil is on par with getting on one's knees, at all.

That's not to say that I think hopping on flash flash revolution dot com and saying "pro-lifers are stupid assholes and here's why" is a no-no. Being civil is unnecessary in some settings.

However, if I'm talking to one person and I feel like I might have some pull, I'm gonna try to make my case without making them want to exit the conversation. This also means future talks are more likely.

I guess my point here isn't totally relevant to Progress because the sphere of influence is so tiny, but every little bit helps, right?

Just wanted to throw in my 2 cents after skimming, feel free to tell me why I'm wrong and I'll listen and take it into consideration.

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fuck missouri

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Abortion is legal in most states
Even the lawmakers are admitting that this can't possible stick when challenged
Roe v Wade hasn't been overturned and probably won't ever.

I feel like we can probably focus on the lawmakers doing a big no-no and not demonize all pro-lifers and somehow still come out ok.


My sticking point is that I see way too many people on the left rather serious or not, starting to default to fuck this, fuck them we might have to start getting rough and like, I really don't want to see another Civil War snowball from that. Because I think that has a great chance of happening in another decade

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guck feorgia

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Every single one of these laws, every single one, was proposed -not- to try and actually get those laws into force, but to keep trying until one of them can get pushed all the way to the Supreme Court -because- the addition of Kavanaugh finally makes it likely that on challenge, Roe could get overturned.

You say "probably won't ever" which is why these things are going to get to the stage where we have to hold our nose and hope Clarence Thomas sees reason.

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Thx biden

Unrelated im just venting

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I really don't see how any of them make it to the Supreme Court in the first place.

It is a very real fear if one of them does it make it there, however.

I think that its very rare where something that has stood for this long is rolled back by the Supreme Court (Yes, I know it happens) and I just can't quite wrap my head around it happening here but

I know that it could happen, and that sucks.

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More importantly: Republican legislators think it can, which is why they're trying to introduce legislations that will get challenged, so they can try and get them there.

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When this topic turned into a political issue, it was effectively ruined.

1. Culturally people HAVE to obsess splitting everyone into two buckets (in this case it is pro-choice and pro-life, although there are many other topics).

The introduction of those labels encourage demonizing the other side (i.e. "you are an enemy, I'm right and you're wrong so shut up"). If you're not pro-life, you're pro-death. If you're not pro-choice, you're anti-choice. The naming is specifically done the way it is to incriminate anyone that doesn't want to be placed under a certain bucket.

And now we're in this mess where a bunch of people are trying to appear morally superior, resulting in chains of "anti-choice forced birthers!" and "pro-death baby killers!" in addition to stressful legal battles. Literally if the legal crap just stopped, and the labels went away, think about what could move forward with that.

2. Abuse of hypotheticals to the point that the woman is forgotten.

The problem with trying to contain abortion to just an abstract discussion is that people forget these are real people we are talking about.

I'll see trolls gaslight with comments like:
- "Killing babies is immoral!"
- "Keep it in your pants, actions have consequences!"

And then someone closely related, or even themselves, gets pregnant. It's all fun and games until it actually happens in real life. It's a wake-up call that it's easy to dismiss a woman in an abstract idea, and then biology and life circumstances kick in.

Take some more of the testimonials from DaBackpack's link as an extension to this point:

Bolded part above is an example of the gaslighting, but then the same guy has somebody close (his daughter) fall into that situation. So much for the hypothetical/abstract discussion. The world is a messy place and people need to realize we can't just stick to abstract discussions. We're dealing with real people here.

Bolded part is another example of how reality kicks in. Again, this is about real people.

I like this testimonial as it illustrates a few realizations from the college senior:
- That she spent years of hard work to get to where she was, but it could go down the drain very quickly.
- That because of the demonizing attitude of the abortion topic, she now has to worry about the information spreading around.

The irony here is that the narrative is usually "it's an inconvenience" but this woman realizes it could seriously impact her future.

Again, how's that for irony? These people know full well how much the topic is stigmatized, and now have to worry about their own privacy.

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On a different note, despite how I don't have a horse in this race, I was motivated enough from recent events to donate to Planned Parenthood.

I can't imagine how many relationships will be ruined from these decisions, and how much increased medical debt people will be in.

It's really sad to see other peoples' misfortune have to be used for something that should have never turned into a political issue.

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https://www.al.com/news/birmingham/2...mpression=true

Bumping because fuck Alabama.

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Fuck Alabama

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So let me get this straight from that article.

A woman (who apparently started a fight?) got shot in the stomach while pregnant which killed her unborn child. Then after the investigation, they arrested the person that got shot and NOT the shooter on the grounds that the mother failed to protect their unborn child?

That sounds all kinds of screwed up, what the hell?

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Basically.

On that note, if the shooter actually gets away with this, it sets a precedent for domestic abuse that could be very scary. If a pregnant woman angers a man and the man physically harms the woman to the point where the fetus is killed, the woman can be charged for what really was the man's fault. Think about how many families and relationships that would destroy.

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Who in their right minds would come up with something so ridiculous? It baffles me how we have such a large proportion of politicians being proponents of this law.