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YoshL 11-10-2016 06:06 PM

Re: TWG CLX If Emblem was a bad employee Game Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by storn42 (Post 4492284)
the thing that you need to remember about boats is that there were multiple woof teams, so its a lot easier to come off as town. As a woof i tend to be pretty cool, and my downfall usually comes with mechanical play. Since i was already scum hunting anyways, it was a lot easier to be presented as town.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Charu (Post 4492287)
...What...?

i think he's talking about the boats mystery game

and talking about..multiple scum teams? and how he was on one?

I'm trying to find the post he's responding to but can't

Charu 11-10-2016 06:07 PM

Re: TWG CLX If Emblem was a bad employee Game Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by FreezinIce (Post 4492288)
I don't know who haa the most votes atm but i think it's xelnya, so I'd vote him to save myself

lol

Don't think I ever heard this answer before in TWG when someone asked that question.

Amazin', I don't know what to make of it, but it sure is pretty fun.

How 'bout you answer again, but without mechanically going for "saving yourself" vote, because that's painfully neutral.

XelNya 11-10-2016 06:18 PM

Re: TWG CLX If Emblem was a bad employee Game Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar (Post 4492268)
I would probably support a Freezin lynch, but welcome Freezin to make another post and show me he's trying.

I would still support a DFR lynch, but again, I welcome him to try and change my mind.

Xel kind of needs to go ahead abd start scum hunting now.

not 100% sure on Haku and Storn. If no one else sees anything on Haku's post I'm cool with letting him live til tomorrow.

Absolutely will not lynch AA, Paz (altho he is acting lile cancer) or Zenith (...also acting like cancer)

I'm ok with V atm

Sorry i'm rambling lol

If you are willing to lynch me put but zenith in the would never lynch today pile, you suffer a particular type of mental disability that should prevent you from playing this game.

XelNya 11-10-2016 06:19 PM

Re: TWG CLX If Emblem was a bad employee Game Thread
 
But that insult is probably too complex for you, short hand is you're retarded.

YoshL 11-10-2016 06:23 PM

Re: TWG CLX If Emblem was a bad employee Game Thread
 

Hakulyte 11-10-2016 06:25 PM

Re: TWG CLX If Emblem was a bad employee Game Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by FreezinIce (Post 4492280)
And I hear what your saying and agree with it AA, but I cannot do what your asking me to at the moment. I get about a 15 min window before eod to post coming up and I'm on my phone to boot. And I was worried about the appearance of my post because I promised content earlier and felt pressured to deliver, which I guess I failed at.

That could explain the presentation attempt, but even then I'm having trouble to associate your read list in a way that could potentially clear you.

This is an example of a FreezinIce (as Town) Read list from TWG CLIX.
Quote:

Originally Posted by FreezinIce (Post 4483149)
I'm in the process of trying to do an analysis, started it as soon as I got home. Problem is theres so much information to sift through and trying to parse it all is mind numbing. I guess I'll do the cliffnotes version with a healthy dash of gut reads:

inDheart - Agreed with a lot of the points he brought up and thought he came out of the Shado argument looking really good. Town lean

Hakulyte - Posting sporadically but a good chunk of his posts have actually given me pause to reflect. Not someone I want to kill d0.

_Zenith_ - Replaced in, not a day 0 kill target in my mind. His alignment can be decided later when theres more information.

Shadowolfe - Now I wish I had pushed back on you after you backed off me, just to see how you would have reacted.Well would have, could have right? You come across as a bully in a lot of your posts. There's nothing wrong with that inherently but I have a hard time sharing your views and struggle to follow your logic a lot of the time. I dont like that at all.

danceflashrevo - I'm really getting nothing from his content, despite reading it over and over again. I'd need to ISO his posts to possibly get a better read.

Charu - Charu

Gradiant - You're mad at me. I get that. I'll look into why you're blowing up on me at every opportunity later. You're not on the table today for lynching.

DaBackpack - Mixed read in every sense of the word. Alot of things with him I like and alot im not sure of. Null read. Need to revist later and focus on him

Precarious - A heavy contributor who in my mind has refuted every accusation thrown their way. Town

roundbox - A case of someone I see just tuning out white noise and coming back to contribute when it counts.

botchi246 - Nothing at the moment, really been to busy reading all the other stuff to focus on him. He doesnt have alot of stuff to go on at the moment anyways, not compared to everyone else

XelNya - Carried the shitposting way past the point i felt was wise, and another person i'd want to look at again to get a better handle on. Null to Wolf.

Juckter1 - Ugh Running out of time at this point. Hes in the same boat as roundbox but in reverse. posted early but disappeared late. Hes more suspicious in my mind. null to wolf

mellonxcollie - literally 1 min left =x

Shado



This is our current game "big post".
Quote:

Originally Posted by FreezinIce (Post 4492092)
To quote Mordecai, The Duelist:

Let's do this right...

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TWG CLX, Day 0: A Huge Post

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Section 0: Introduction
For every end...a beginning
> [CLX00]

Hello and welcome. In this post, I will try to explain in exhaustive detail my thoughts and opinions on every single player in the game. But before we start, it would behoove me to explain how I perceive the situation of the wolf so that, whether you agree with my logic or disagree, you can see how I arrived at my conclusions and form your own opinions based off them.

The wolf as we know them have 2 concrete aims, one subordinate to the other. To eliminate troublesome humans and power roles is the subordinate goal, which is almost always in service to their primary goal: to live as long as possible, by any means necessary. To this end, there are certain behavioral patterns that I believe can be looked for and exploited, especially this early in the day when you have little to go on, to vastly improve your chances of killing a wolf with the first lynch.

Wolf Tendencies:

For the Most Part, Avoid the Spotlight: There is an exception to every rule. But for the vast majority of cases, I believe it's safe to hedge a d0 lynch on the bottom 60 to 50 percentile of users in regards to postcount. Extremely active wolves exist, however, the tone they set is a precedent that must be maintained throughout the game. Since their very nature is a contradiction and they must lie constantly, eventually for all but the most pathological liars, the facade will slip. I personally favor killing inactives early over high content posters, who can be revisited later on when it will be simple to comb their many posts and find contradictions.

An Aversion to Conflict: This point is only valid early on when butting heads can be somewhat avoided, wolves tend to avoid open conflict with other players, which can escalate into an unpredictable situation. Now, conflict is not a reason to clear someone by itself, but conflict leads to postcount and reads, something that can clear someone if they have nothing to hide...or expose them if they do.

Keep Your Opinions to Yourself: A natural extension of the first tendency, avoiding putting your opinion out where it can be examined and revisited is essential as a wolf. Because these reads are often forced or faked, they can be harmful more often than not so walking the line between seeming to contribute and not contributing is a dance wolves must make carefully.

Finding A Reason To Kill: Analyzing the reasoning behind a kill vote/End of Day vote is important. Because wolves must kill innocents every night (with the exception of bussing), the kill/EoD vote is, in my opinion, vastly more important than the votes made during the day (pressure votes, safety votes, OMGUS, ect) for various reasons. A kill vote gives additional information, especially in a game with cardflips. The voter can be held to accounts for their actions, their posts can be cross-referenced and their train of thought leading to the kill vote scrutinized. Any great leaps of logic will make themselves known in a way that cannot be readily found in regular dayvotes, which carry little consequences. This goes hand in hand with the next tendency:

Playing Dumb Is Hard: As a wolf, your access to information not known to the town is both a blessing and a curse. It can let you coordinate your actions with your allies, and plan elaborate strategies. But more often than not, knowing too much can be a detriment. Someone with more information than the average person will arrive at conclusions and make decisions that seem baffling or illogical to the average person. This can lead to unwanted attention, isolation, and lynching. Pretending not to know more than you do is a constant drain on your mental resources, and one slip could undo everything. Anything that departs from normal behavior should be scrutinized, and their motives and logic should be extensively researched before they are cleared.


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Those are my thoughts on how I perceive wolf behavior, and what I think of when I go about trying to scumhunt. Obviously, these aren't set in stone and many things like the day number, player count, average player activity, and other factors will skew these patterns in different directions, but its a place to start when it comes to understanding a wolf's ultimate goal, and therefore their behavior and strategy that leads to that goal.

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As an aside, I realize that due to the mystery nature of this game, there is a real possibility we are dealing with third parties, be they masons, serial killers, or even other wolf factions. But until they are revealed I feel it is unnecessary to speculate on their existence or commentate on their effects on people's behavior. So for those wondering about the absence of these 3rd parties from my analysis, you have your explanation.

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After this, I had a detailed reads list on every player. Problem is, due to replacements I had to keep editing shit, and eventually about 5 players in I ran out of care. So now you get the quick and dirty version designed so that i can finally get this out before I explode. Not going to include replacements cause fuck.


1) AragakiAyase [CLX01]: Town Read. Posts clear, concise thoughts and reads with easy to follow logic.
2) storn42 [CLX02]: slight Wolf Lean. His posts are surprisingly on the low side, and his 2 attacks are a vote on AA for aggression, after stating that his top scum was dfr (after attacking dfr was vogue i might add)
3) Yoshl [CLX03]: While theres alot of stuff here he says that i dont like he has 3 things going for him 1. He has stuff I agree with as well 2. He has alot of posts and there are people clearly better to kill today than him and 3. He has put himself out there alot and caused alot of problems for himself later on if he ends up being a wolf. So he gets a town lean for today.
4) wineandbread [CLX04] (REPLACEMENT)
5) roundbox [CLX05]: My guess is playing towards some kind of alternate win condition, or just fucking with everyone. Not someone to kill d0
6) MixMasterLar [CLX06]: Doing what passes for normal for him. Attacking whoever and whatever he wants and reading everything at face value for better or worse. Active so gets a null for now.
7) XelNya [CLX07]: Shitposts for a really long time, then drops the act and posts some angry stuff at zenith. Also roundbox is riding his nuts. ok? Null cause i dont want to think about this till tomorrow.
8) Precarious [CLX08]: (REPLACEMENT)
9) Vendetta21 [CLX09] (Literally Nothing)
10) Hakulyte [CLX10] (REPLACEMENT)
11) FreezinIce
12) ShadoWolfe [CLX11] Reasonable and protown playstyle with plenty of reads and questions. Town read, but im interested in who he will end up voting for at EoD and why since he hasnt really gone after anyone.
13) Pazzaz [CLX12] (Literally Nothing)
14) Charu [CLX13]: Pretty much acting like a spectator to the game rather than a player, every now and then he'll drop a breadcrumb of a read or thought, then goes back to observation mode. That can probably carry him through d0 but how much longer?
15) Andy-o24 [CLX14]: New player, playing fast and loose with plenty of reads. Town Lean for now
16) gold stinger [CLX15]: Tiny wolf lean, trending to null. This is mostly because his style is all over the place and dont want to decipher his dick shit stuff atm.
17) botchi246 [CLX16] (Literally Nothing)
18) danceflashrevo [CLX17] Posted a bit, got jumped on for tone, then had to beat his detractors away with a stick. His interactions feel good but he will get a reread come d1 depending on who gets lynched and how they flip. Almost everyone alive has an opinion on him which is a good thing in my estimation. Null to slight town read
19) _Zenith_ [CLX18] Bad stuff here. He's like a worse version of me because AT LEAST I ENDED UP POSTING SOMETHING HEE HEE. Low post count, no interest in the game, and seems to have some sort of wierd fetish for xelnya. Well excepting the last bit those were all things i could be accused of so im not holding this against him TODAY, but in the future if he continues being a liability I will not hesitate to vote him. BLACK HOLE READ
20) Tokzic [CLX19] Entrance to last few posts are very ok. In his last few posts he drops some reads after a bit of pressure, which ends with a puzzling storn vote with no explanation then he pce outs. Wolf Lean which will be upgraded to null if his vote changes or he explains his vote past gut read. Because gutread votes dont really cut it anymore in my book, at least if you want to not smell bad to me.

THE MILLION DOLLAR QUESTION: WHO DO I WANT TO KILL TODAY?

ANSWER? PROBABLY SOME INACTIVE.


Heres the TL;DR for everyone who doesnt want to go thru the wall of text

TL;DR

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Read my post ya maroon


I don't understand why you would take the time to make such a post if you're worried about "time constraint" and "looking good". It contradicts the idea of posting something similar to your Town game.

FreezinIce

XelNya 11-10-2016 06:26 PM

Re: TWG CLX If Emblem was a bad employee Game Thread
 
My question is this.

Why is anyone ok with Zenith as he is right now?

Like MML you gotta explain that Zenith thing to me. I don't fucking understand how without insurmountable amounts of drugs or stupidity you sit in that position.

XelNya 11-10-2016 06:27 PM

Re: TWG CLX If Emblem was a bad employee Game Thread
 
Unless he posted something worth while that I missed, which despite everything is highly unlikely.

XelNya 11-10-2016 06:28 PM

Re: TWG CLX If Emblem was a bad employee Game Thread
 
Oh I just don't care about the game

fren I care more about this game than you do and I shit posted literally half of it

FUCK MATE I'M STILL DOING IT.

XelNya 11-10-2016 06:29 PM

Re: TWG CLX If Emblem was a bad employee Game Thread
 
Your twisted sense of being ok with this disturbs me more than fucking furry porn.

And like, I've seen some shit.

XelNya 11-10-2016 06:30 PM

Re: TWG CLX If Emblem was a bad employee Game Thread
 
Fuck I come off as pretentious as hell

Charu 11-10-2016 06:31 PM

Re: TWG CLX If Emblem was a bad employee Game Thread
 
Xel's over reaction is pretty amusing

Hakulyte 11-10-2016 06:32 PM

Re: TWG CLX If Emblem was a bad employee Game Thread
 
Yeah, I do feel like he's feigning about not caring about to game to get some slack and survive D0.

The problem is that I don't know how to associate that with alignments.

If you think that's wolfy, feel free to get more in details about it.

XelNya 11-10-2016 06:32 PM

Re: TWG CLX If Emblem was a bad employee Game Thread
 
See thing is, tone-wise I come off as super angry.

Meanwhile I am drinking soda out of a coffee mug laughing hysterically

Charu 11-10-2016 06:32 PM

Re: TWG CLX If Emblem was a bad employee Game Thread
 
Also, be as it may, if Zenith is choosing to play this game by throwing insults at players when players are just asking him to fix his tone, then that's his problem.

Honestly don't see anything wrong about it. I wouldn't lynch Zenith today either.

AragakiAyase 11-10-2016 06:33 PM

Re: TWG CLX If Emblem was a bad employee Game Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Charu (Post 4492286)
Also, no one is against the freezin' lynch because it actually makes perfect sense on why people should vote.

Who's going to defend someone that said "I'mm-a post a mega post with reads" and then post reads with no substance in them?

Tell me who, AA, I'm rather curious.

not saying that anyone should defend him, it's just that there isn't anyone defending him, and a lack of discussion from both sides of the argument has often been a sign that scum is comfortable with the lynch, usually means the person is town

Charu 11-10-2016 06:33 PM

Re: TWG CLX If Emblem was a bad employee Game Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hakulyte (Post 4492308)
Yeah, I do feel like he's feigning about not caring about to game to get some slack and survive D0.

The problem is that I don't know how to associate that with alignments.

If you think that's wolfy, feel free to get more in details about it.

Spoiler alert: It's not.

But it IS extremely neutral.

AragakiAyase 11-10-2016 06:35 PM

Re: TWG CLX If Emblem was a bad employee Game Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by XelNya (Post 4492302)
My question is this.

Why is anyone ok with Zenith as he is right now?

Like MML you gotta explain that Zenith thing to me. I don't fucking understand how without insurmountable amounts of drugs or stupidity you sit in that position.

I'm not ok with zenith, I just don't think his attitude is alignment indicative

also good point haku, I forgot about that post that freezin made when crunched for time in CLIX, doesn't make sense again the focus on presentation

XelNya 11-10-2016 06:36 PM

Re: TWG CLX If Emblem was a bad employee Game Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Charu (Post 4492310)
Also, be as it may, if Zenith is choosing to play this game by throwing insults at players when players are just asking him to fix his tone, then that's his problem.

Honestly don't see anything wrong about it. I wouldn't lynch Zenith today either.

Hey if you don't WANT to that's fine

but removing him as an option for literally zero actual reasoning makes zero sense

Charu 11-10-2016 06:37 PM

Re: TWG CLX If Emblem was a bad employee Game Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase (Post 4492311)
not saying that anyone should defend him, it's just that there isn't anyone defending him, and a lack of discussion from both sides of the argument has often been a sign that scum is comfortable with the lynch, usually means the person is town

I agree

But do you want to put it in good faith that Freezin's vote would lead to a town dying?

He'll just be a ??? from there on in unless certain night actions happen if you keep thinking like that.

Don't care if the dude lives or dies personally, but if Freeze gets lynched here and they turn up town, just makes night actions more random'd.


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