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Arch0wl 12-17-2014 07:10 AM

A Viable 10-key Stepmania Setup
 
About a year ago someone suggested I buy the Logitech K120. Admittedly, I'm borderline ADHD, so I am occasionally forgetful of things like what I order or why. When I got it in the mail I used it like a regular USB keyboard and completely blanked on why I bought it. I just assumed it was because it was a good keyboard and in my mind, that was the reason and I never thought about it since.

About an hour ago I remembered the real reason why I bought the keyboard. This is incredible:



USB keyboards have limitations of about six presses at once. This is inadvertently why 6-key is popular on Stepmania, while 8-key (despite the game's capability for it) is not.

To press 10 at once on one keyboard, you'd need to have a PS/2 connection and a mechanical keyboard. These are extremely expensive; worse, laptops do not generally support PS/2 keyboards. But since desktops are so uncommon now, you need a workaround.

This method allows you to dodge the USB limitation by using two USB keyboards, with a hypothetical max input of 12 at once.

10-key is the logical extent of how far this game can go, which is why it's been so appealing to me. Someone who is as good as you can get at 10-key has effectively maximized how good human fingers can get period. The idea is appealing on that basis alone.

When I get some free time, I'm going to see if it's possible to mod SM SSC into 10k and make some files.

blindreper1179 12-17-2014 07:14 AM

Re: A Viable 10-key Stepmania Setup
 
Buy me a keyboard and I'll play with you.

choof 12-17-2014 07:15 AM

Re: A Viable 10-key Stepmania Setup
 
piu doubles

blindreper1179 12-17-2014 07:15 AM

Re: A Viable 10-key Stepmania Setup
 
Nevermind, I forgot I have two.Lmao

dAnceguy117 12-17-2014 07:55 AM

Re: A Viable 10-key Stepmania Setup
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by choof (Post 4247401)
piu doubles

Yup, should be ready to go right out of the box. Just get/make a new noteskin and get to charting. Sounds fun.

choof 12-17-2014 08:18 AM

Re: A Viable 10-key Stepmania Setup
 
i don't think a lot of people will try this, however i do know that a few people play lr2 with dual kbs (iirc lg is one of them)

we tried getting 7k off the ground on kbo, not sure if you remember that but that was a few years ago and there's still less than 40 7k charts for sm

lurker 12-17-2014 09:41 AM

Re: A Viable 10-key Stepmania Setup
 
i can actually hit 10 keys on my usb keyboard
granted, said keyboard costs more than $40
just goes to show how you should never think in absolutes

also, 6 key popular? making a lot of assumptions there lmao

Wayward Vagabond 12-17-2014 10:14 AM

Re: A Viable 10-key Stepmania Setup
 
I can hit 20+ keys at one time on my keyboard. Iyd a USB march KB though. Expensive? Yeah. Worth it? Definitely. Not even for sm just typing on a brown switch keyboard is fucking golden

_Zenith_ 12-17-2014 11:05 AM

Re: A Viable 10-key Stepmania Setup
 
I remember for a portion of the tournament, iirc on Capo or Fuse, where I had used my laptop keyboard and a spare I have kicking around to play and grab the AAA. I've used two keyboards infrequently but there is something about it where it's not only fun to play on two keyboards, but impressive that you are playing with your hands further away from each other than ever before.

Doesn't laptop keyboards also have the power to hit 10 keys at once? I know the one I used to use was able to hit at least 7 keys without issues, but don't quote me since it's been awhile since I've even been able to play.

Also didn't Velocity rig FFR to play 20 keys and he even had a video of it?

gold stinger 12-17-2014 11:21 AM

Re: A Viable 10-key Stepmania Setup
 
when can we do beatmania IIDX doubles on keyboard

choof 12-17-2014 11:31 AM

Re: A Viable 10-key Stepmania Setup
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by gold stinger (Post 4247462)
when can we do beatmania IIDX doubles on keyboard

you can
you'll just hit a wall where you'll be unable to get any better

Jousway 12-17-2014 12:44 PM

Re: A Viable 10-key Stepmania Setup
 
http://www.duckychannel.com.tw/en/ducky-shine-4/
Quote:

USB N-Key Rollover (USB NKRO): Under USB, the Ducky Shine 4 can handle any number of simultaneous key presses. You can use the keyboard confidently in any situations knowing that there will never be ghosting or key blocking issue.
just gonna put this here

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arch0wl (Post 4247399)
When I get some free time, I'm going to see if it's possible to mod SM SSC into 10k and make some files.

SM SSC...


Wayward Vagabond 12-17-2014 01:03 PM

Re: A Viable 10-key Stepmania Setup
 
not about to spend 250 dollars on a keyboard to play rhythm games

Jousway 12-17-2014 01:06 PM

Re: A Viable 10-key Stepmania Setup
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Wayward Vagabond (Post 4247507)
not about to spend 250 dollars on a keyboard to play rhythm games

you could do what I did, just buy a cheap ass beatmania controller like the
muse-v


choof 12-17-2014 01:29 PM

Re: A Viable 10-key Stepmania Setup
 
I have yet to purchase my fp7 but goddamn that controller looks like shit

choof 12-17-2014 01:30 PM

Re: A Viable 10-key Stepmania Setup
 
is that... *gulp* is that a scratch button

Jousway 12-17-2014 01:35 PM

Re: A Viable 10-key Stepmania Setup
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by choof (Post 4247526)
is that... *gulp* is that a scratch button

yes, like I got a muse-on and this v-muse beacause the v-muse is compact and easy to bring in my backpack but when I'm home I use the muse-on for iidx gameplay, as for normal 4 key I tend ot use the v-muse or my solomania controller

EtienneSM 12-17-2014 08:33 PM

Re: A Viable 10-key Stepmania Setup
 
How much was that controller?

Wafles 12-17-2014 10:16 PM

Re: A Viable 10-key Stepmania Setup
 
how about we play 15 key

10 fingers
two foot pedals with heel and toe activation
and some button on your chair's headrest to pound your head into

this is the logical progression of stepmania

BilliumMoto 12-17-2014 11:27 PM

Re: A Viable 10-key Stepmania Setup
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Wafles (Post 4247691)
how about we play 15 key

10 fingers
two foot pedals with heel and toe activation
and some button on your chair's headrest to pound your head into

this is the logical progression of stepmania

add one finger only males have and you got 16
just like jubeat


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