TWG 187 Senpai [Post Game]
 

TWG 187: Senpai

Wolves have won, including Funnygurl


Day Phase: 48>24 hours. Will be 24 hours once we hit 13 players.
Night Phase: 24 hours.
KITB: On
Phantoms: Off
Votecounts: On
Host Killing Power: On
Host Voting Power: Off
Night Talk: Off
Cardflips: Full Card Flips


Game Mechanics:
- Game is part mystery part bastard.
- If you have questions about your character, please PM me on Discord for fastest response.
- Do not PM outside or anyone unless specified elsewhere
- [Hidden]
- When a player dies, an item from them is placed into the item circulation, thus, revealing of hidden mechanics for each player can be triggered by some of these items.
- [Hidden]
- I will accept any PM's over discord or FFR.
- [Hidden]
- There will not be ITA's this game
- There are no powers that adjust votes, or make voting unfair
- There are no powers that instantly end a phase
- There are no powers that are dreamers, or time manipulation, or bringing back the dead.
- [Hidden]
- Players can view / talk about the game via dead chat.
- It is heavily discouraged talking about your role name
- Any and all non-town teams have access to daychat. This will be done ONLY on discord.
- Anyone who is unable to make 5 posts per day will result in a modkill. I will kill with no mercy. I might not even give you a warning. You will be banned from any future games I host if you fail to post.


Players:

1) thesunfan [Died D4 - Ike]
2) flashflashaccount [Lynched D4 - Nicole Watterson]
3) Not Devonin - Jon Arbuckle [WON AT ENDGAME]
4) mellon_collie [Died N1 - Mamimi Samejima]
5) Shadow_God_10 [Lynched D7 - Rias Gremory
6) Mtamborini [Modkilled N1 - Mr Resetti]
7) YoshL [Killed D4 - Kyi Lagine]
8) Antori [Lynched D2 - Kurumi Tokisaki]
9) Storn42 [Lynched D5 - Chtholly]
10) Hateandhatred [Died N2 - Rin Kaga]
11) Gradiant [Killed N5 - Youhei
12) Goldstinger [Killed D5 - Naofumo Iwatani]
13) Xelnya [Lynched D6 - Kaho_Reinol]
14) DragonMegaXX [Lynched D1 - Senko-San The Helpful Fox]
15) Roundbox - [Killed N5 - Tatsumaki]
16) Soundwave [Died N5 - Nagato]
17) Svaz - Tomoyo Daidoji - Lost at Endgame
18) Dafty.Pixel [Died N3 - Hatsune Miku]
19) funnier6 [Modkilled N4 - Chell]
20) Wayward Vagabond [Died D4 - The Black Knight Plusheen]
21) Funnygurl555 [Lynched D3 - Monokuma]
22) Hakulyte - Light Yagami - Lost at endgame

Substitutes:
1) Devonin
2) ShadoWolfe
3)



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Item Pool Circulation:
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Base Items:

Alondite
Pokeball Red (½ summon for pokemon battle minigame | CHARU)
Pokeball Blue (½ summon for pokemon battle minigame | TFORCE)
Real Gun
Suicide Gun
Fake Gun
A Chair (does nothing)
Truth Bullet (Use this on a player post in the game. Any post. The Mastermind will give some truth about it) (Can only be in play if Monokuma dies)
A Yamaha Microphone (Can control Xiz’s vote for a phase. To use send Xiz a Discord message)

Player Death Items:

1) Ragnell (Can awaken rias, and ½ of Alondite awaken)
2) Ocho (You become intense. Very intense. For the entire next phase you must post in size seven font)
3) Lasagna (If you eat the lasanga, for that night only you receive a bulletproof vest)
4) Canti (The porn-loving medical robot is here! For the next night only, you have a bulletproof vest)
5) Koneko Toujou (This catgirl will allow you to see through smoke for an entire phase)
6) Pitfall Seed (During the Game Show, use this on a player to prevent their vote from counting)
7) Kyi Laqine’s Glasses (See the rolename of a player of your choice. You will not get an alignment)
8) The Lifespan Eye (When used, only once, the time in the next phase is reduced to 6 hours)
9) Seniorious (Day vigi shot)
10) Rin’s Drawing (When used, only once, you can change one word in a rule in the OP)
11) Beer (If you drink this, any and all actions performed by you will be randomized)
12) Naofumo's Shield (Immune to ITA's for the entire phase, will not be triggered until ITA's start)
13) Black Sachet (Prevents 1 action in the night by you to be blocked or redirected, only works once)
14) Senko’s Fox Fire (see who visits a player of your choice during the night)
15) One Punch Man (One punch man appears in the game. Secret: A new player enters the game as one punch man as an anon account)
16) Shimakaze (Track a player of your choice for one night)
17) Cerberus (Sensing: Tracks the last person who targeted you the night before for one night)
18) Rin Kagamine (Act2: Gives you the ability to send a song to two different players of your choice)
19) GlaDos (Send a potato to a player of your choice)
20) Domino (Gives you a random seering. Real check if post count ends in 0-4, fake if 5-9)
21) Despair (The winner of TWG Danganronpa joins the game)
22) Deathnote (write down a player of your choice. They die in 3 phases)

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Hidden Mechanics:
- If someone chooses the same waifu/husbando they will instantly be a hydra account. If two people choose someone from the same show, then they instantly become lovers/hydra. You get the idea.
- If a player obtains both Alondite and Ragnell, they will ‘die’ that phase and come back as a 3rd party cultist.
- Revealing of hidden mechanics can be given for items
- When a player dies, an item from them comes into the item circulation
- If host killing / voting power determines deadliness of game show
- Any random.org will be decided based on post count, because its more fun that way
- If a pokemon battle happens, only the two pokemon fighting can post for the entire phase. The winner will determine [redacted]


Reserved for Role PMs


Thesunfan / Ike
Greetings Ike, you are a valliant leader, and the newest member of the Greil Mercenaries. For each successful task you complete, you level up. Town alligned.

Level 1) Pregame choose another player. If they live until the start of the next night phase, you level up. Unlike your dad lol.
Level 2) Fight against the black night. Choose a player. If they die at the start of your next phase, you level up
Level 3) You can now wield your sword, Ragnell. You can either:
A: Only once, kill a player during the night using Ragnell.
B: Only once, Ragnell will prevent an action on the target of your choice
C: Only once, You can attempt to summon Alondite, but you may pull another item.

Secret:
Post count ending in 0-7 will summon, 8-9 will fail

DaBackPack/Devonin / Jon Arbuckle

Hello Jon,

Panel 1: Jon searches the end table
Panel 2: Now where could my pipe be?
Panel 3: Garfield!!!

Your pipe is life. You love your pipe. Jon, you have the ability to blow so much smoke from your pipe it will prevent any action on your target to be tracked. You have a natural aura to where you are always in smoke, so nobody can track you as well. Sadly, you were lost trying to take back the pipe from garfield, so you will be unable to return to your wolves until you wind your way back. You are wolf aligned.

Flashflashaccount / Nicole Watterson

Hello Nicole Watterson.

You love your family, and will do anything to express your love for them. You are the only truly responsible member of the family by cleaning, cooking and taking care of them since everyone else is a dimwit. Not surprisingly, you find that the rest of your family is lost and can’t find their way home. You are aligned Wolf.

Pregame, you can choose one of your lost wolf partners to return home immediately.
If you die and your wolf partners are not all back together, all will be reunited at your funeral.
You win when the wolves obtain majority.

Secret: Mom Rage. If you are the last wolf alive, you gain an extra kill power for one night only.

Mellon_collie / Mamimi Samejima

Hello Mamimi Samejima.

You are a pyromaniac, a loner, and love your camera. In fact, you love your camera so much it grants you the ability to revel whoever targeted you, along with a semi-redacted role PM but NOT their alignment. This photo can only be processed and viewed when you die, and only the most recent photo will be displayed. Town aligned.

Svaz / Tomoyo Daidoji

Hello Tomoyo,

You harness the power of dreams. During the night, you are allowed to send an anonymous message to any player of your choice that must not exceed 15 characters. Pregame, you choose a player of your choice. When they die, you can have another player of your choice receive their role PM the following night. This can be done only once.

Secret: If you target the same person 3 nights in a row, your character limit breaks (150 char max)

Shadow_God_10 / Rias Gremory

Hello Rias,

You are a demon, with the power of destruction that can disintegrate matter. The only way for the curse to be broken is for your true love to break the curse. You are town aligned.

Hidden: Owner of Ragnell or Alondite using any action on you will automatically break your curse, prevent your death that phase, and allow you to be reborn as an SK who only wins with their lover alive.

Mtamborini / Resetti

Hello Resetti,

You are a cranky mole, who wants to make sure people play the game correctly. During the night, you must check on a player of your choice. If that player dies in the night, you die as well. Any actions onto you will be voided, since you will be underground and all. Your goal is to survive until the end, at all costs. You have no alignment.

Hidden: Immune to funnygurl actions

YoshL / Kyi Lagine

Hello Kyi,

You are an anthropomorphic corgi, who loves to solve problems and assist people. You own a business called “Lock and Key” which helps apply music to solve problems people might have. During the night, you can choose only one:

- Lock: Target a player, preventing any killable actions on them. Only works once per player.
- Key: You obtain some information about the player you chose to lock. Only works on a player you chose that previous night.

Town aligned.

Secret: If Miku and Kyi target each other in the same night, they have a music duel to the death. Similar to pokemon duel

Antori / Kurumi Tokisaki

Greetings Kurumi, Time waits for no one. Your eye is your lifespan. Each night, you must kill. Failure to secure/take responsibility for a kill will result in death. Three strikes and you are out. You win when you receive majority, and kill all other threats. 3rd Party. You have the choice to be seer immune or have a bulletproof vest.


Secret: If you are targeted and killed by any other party and you somehow figure out how to target yourself in the night, you will turn back time and bring yourself back twice as strong.

Storn42 / Chtholly Nota Seniorious

You are a fairy soldier, oldest and arguably the strongest considering your sword Seniorious. This ancient class of holy blades is your weapon. In order to be worthy of such a sword, you need to have a tragic backstory. Storn dying n0-n0 is tragic enough, so that counts. Also, you are lost and unable to come home to your wolf partners. You need to rejoin them first. You are aligned wolf.

- Super charge: Prevents your team from making a wolf kill that night. Charges your sword once.
- Bond: Bond with your weapon, preventing your ultimate kill from being random.
- Ultimate ability: Requires Super Charge. You activate Seniorious during the day, but there a change you will be revealed that you were the one that made the kill. This is the ultimate kill that can’t be blocked or saved.

HateandHatred / Rin Kaga

Greetings Rin, you are a shy, and kind young girl. You are good at drawing and helping friends. You are an innocent child. You win when all threats are removed from town.

Gradient / Youhei

Hello you beautiful and attractive white tiger. You are Youhei, a beastfallen mercenary. You want to open up a tavern. After you build your tavern, whoever enters your tavern may not be immune from all actions, but you will be able to see what happens to them. Town aligned.

- Build: Spend a night building the tavern (2 days)
- Fight: Once in the tavern, you force aggro from whoever you target to have their actions be carried out on you
- Cook: Once in the tavern, you feed your guest allowing them to be tracked by you

Goldstinger / Naofumo Iwatani

You were a sophomore in college, however you have been summoned to this new world as the shield hero, obtaining one of the four legendary weapons. During the night, you can choose someone to protect. You will die in the night over them. You are town aligned.

XelNya / Kaho_Reinol

Greetings Kaho, you are a goddess, former human priestess. You carry with you a maple leaf, which is your primary weapon. Each night you can choose one of the following only once:

- Clarity Shard: Increase visibility in dark areas, see who targeted the player of your choice
- Faerie Tear: Grants immunity for one action placed on you during that night
- Magnet Stone: Attract an object to you
- Astral Charm: If the person you target in the night dies in the next day phase, you get a full recharge on your abilities including this one.

DragonMegaXX / Senko-San

Welcome Senko,

You are the helpful fox, an 800 year old kitsune sent to relieve stress. You want to take care and protect your friends. During the night, you can choose a player to block, allowing your friends to live their lives stress free. Also, you are a lost wolf, and you will need to rejoin your team. Wolf aligned.

Roundbox / Tatsumaki

Greetings Tatsumaki,

You are quite the brash, moody and hotheaded person. However, your intentions mean well. Similar to how you were able to redirect an attack back at the dark matter, you can redirect any action back onto the player if your choice. You are unable to use any of your actions if you suffer from a head injury or any brain damage, which happens every time you use an ability. To be cured, you need to be targeted by any protective role, such as a doctor, if they are even in the game. Town aligned.

Secret: Funnygurl is immune to redirects from you


Soundwave / Nagato

Hello Nagato,

You are a calm and collected secretary, who carries a serious, intimidating air about her wherever she goes. You are one of the ‘big seven’, a Battleship who keeps the others in check. During the night, you can scan for hostiles, targeting a player of your choice and obtaining their alignment. You are town aligned, and win when all threats are removed from town.

Dafty.Pixel / Hatsune Miku

Greetings Miku,

A singer, popstar icon, and global sensation, Miku you have come to spread your music across the globe. Your music allows you to find out part of your targets role PM. You are also a lost wolf, and need to be found to rejoin your team. Your music distracts your opponents, and you will come up green to any and all seerings. You are aligned wolf.

Secret: If Kyu or Miku find each other, they have a music fight to the death.

Funnier6 / Chell

Greetings Chell,

As test subject #1498, you must continue testing. For science. During the night, you can choose two players each night to swap any and all actions. You are town sided, and win when all threats are removed from town.

Wayward / Pusheen

Greetings Pusheen,

You are a sweet, curious and lazy tabby cat who loves adventures. You are ton sided, and win when all threats are removed from town. During the night you can:

Blog
Create a note for when you die for everyone to see when you flip. Can only be used once.
Nap
Take a nap, placing yourself immune to all actions for that night. Can only be used once.
Snack
You search to find a snack. (Snack = item, 50% chance to recieve based on post count)
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(After Obtaining Alondite)
You have ascended to become an SS hero. Plusheen, you have become the Black Knight Plusheen. You have new objectives:

A) Only once, kill a player during the night.
B) Only once, Alondite will prevent an action on the target of your choice
C) Only once, You can attempt to summon Ragnell, but you may pull another item

Funnygurl / Monokuma

Greetings Monokuma,

THRILLS, CHILLS, KILLS!! Hello you bastard of a bear. You love killing, and watching people get killed. It’s all the same to you. You are here to spread chaos, and spread terror to your enemies. You are a fool, yet also a mastermind. You win when you get lynched. But because you are monokuma, you have access to some secret files only the host should have access to. Each night, you are allowed to suggest rule changes in the OP. You can only change one word maximum per night. You also have a free protective vest.

Haku / Light Yagami

Hello Light, you are an accomplished bored teen who came across death note. You write down the name of a person, they die. But you find yourself town aligned this game, so your change of heart gives you a new power. During the night, you can write down the name of any player of your choice. Something will happen to them. You don’t know what. Town aligned.

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Night Actions:



N0:

Sunfan targets Roundbox (leveled up)
FFA brings in DBP
Dabackpack [Cant]
Mellon [Cant]
Svaz chooses Dafty.Pixel
Mtambo [Cant choose]
YoshL [Cant choose]
Ant chooses bulletproof
Storn [Cant]
Gradiant [Cant choose]
Goldstinger protects [Cant choose]
XelNya [Cant choose]
Dragon [Cant choose]
Roundbox [Cant reflect]
Soundwave [Cant check]
Storn [Cant]
Dafty [Cant check]
Funnier [Cant check]
Wayward [Cant choose]
Funnygurl [Cant Choose]
Haku [cant choose]





N1:
Sunfan lvl 2 targets goldstinger
FFA brings in Daft.Pixel
Devonin (no action)
Mellon (passive flips Ant)
Svaz chooses Gradiant to deliver message [hoes mad x 24]
Mtambo N/A (DIES INACTIVITY)
YoshL locks sunfan
Ant kills Mellon
Storn charges [prevents wolf kill]
Gradiant builds (½)
Goldstinger protects Haku
XelNya (No Action)
Roundbox no action
Soundwave checks YoshL (town sided)
Dafty (No action) (Randomed: Mtambo)
Funnier (No Action) (Randomed: Roundbox / Hateandhatred)
Wayward snacks (gets pokeball RED)
Funnygurl changes Host Killing Power to ON
Haku writes soundwave (6) (gives foxfire)
Wolf Kill Haku (Nulled by Storn)

Deaths: Tambo / Mellon

N2:

Sunfan lvl 2 targets notdev
FFA brings in Storn
Devonin smokes Dafty
Svaz chooses H&H to deliver message [don’t die sven!]
YoshL key’s sunfan (To sunfan’s knowledge, they can level up three times. Each time makes them more and more powerful. They are currently on level two.)
Storn bonds with Seniorious
Gradiant builds (2/2)
Goldstinger protects Hakulyte
XelNya uses Magnetic Stone (Scuicide Gun)
Roundbox no action
Soundwave ?????
Dafty targets sunfan (For each successful task you complete, you level up.)
Funnier swaps Storn and Svaz
Wayward snacks (Alondite)
Funnygurl removes ‘NOT’ in ITA’s
Haku writes H&H (9) (Receives a real gun)
Wolf Kill hateandhate

Deaths: Hateandhate


N3:

Sunfan lvl 2 targets YoshL:
Devonin smokes Dafty
Svaz chooses Shadowgod “yt: JxsfEio0L8Y”
YoshL locks gradiant
Storn No Action
Gradiant cooks for storn (no visits)
Goldstinger protects YoshL
XelNya no action
Roundbox no action
Soundwave checks funnier (uses foxfire (sees who visiits) on Yoshl) (Funnier/???/Goldstinger)
Dafty no action
Funnier swaps YoshL and Roundbox
Wayward kills Dafty
Haku writes sunfan (6) Fails
Wolf Kill YoshL


Deaths: Dafty.Pixel
N4:


Devonin smokes nobody
Svaz chooses devonin
Storn No Action
Gradiant restocks
Goldstinger protects storn
XelNya clarity shard on goldstinger
Roundbox on soundwave
Soundwave checks roundbox
Haku writes soundwave (1)
Wolf Kill nobody

Deaths: nobody


N5:
Devonin smokes roundbox
Svaz chooses Xelnya “Princess Tomoyo”
Gradiant fights for Devoin
XelNya astral charm shadowgod
Roundbox no action
Soundwave checks Xel
Haku writes Roundbox
Wolf Kill Soundwave

Deaths: Soundwave

N6:

Devonin smokes nobody
Svaz chooses Roundbox “sick wheels bro”
Roundbox COOLDOWN
Haku writes nobody
Wolf Kill Roundbox

Deaths: Roundbox

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MVP:

Split between Storn/Dev

Storn fooled pretty much all town, and even though he messed up before he got lynched he still did an amazing Job. Dev coming in as a replacement slot really helped them win


Quote of the game:

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feels good to win a wolf game, even if i didn't make it all the way to the end. i expect a D0 lynch next game for being top town :) Good job dev!

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Lmao guys, I go nearly the whole game explaining why SG is town and it gets thrown out at the very end. GG.

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if it makes you feel better, i believed you :)

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Time to ruin happiness of this thread because I said I was going to bring up stuff in post-game.

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My imaginary role that I came up with to play once we got into the stage of the game where people were requiring role reveals was designed to explain both how I had a targeted ability at night, and also would seer red while still reading town.

My claim that my initials were RK wasn't just to cover up being namechecked as the character you all thought DPB would have picked, I'd actually crafted a whole thing.



I was pretending to be Ryoji Kaji from Neon Genesis Evangelion. My night power was to target a player, and if they died I could see who had killed them. But my status as a double agent was dangerous, since I was always sneaking around crime scenes, I'd seer red.

I didn't plan, coming in, to be able to fake the power to force a win at zero hour, but it was always going to be in my back pocket to try and save a wolf by forcing a lynch on somebody else.

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shout out to FFA for making me think i could possibly be a mole in wolf chat without actually knowing it.

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Every single time you used your private charge sword kill, I had a worry that wouldn't go away that you'd kill one of us and be revealed as some sort of sleeper agent.

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Wanted to get this off my back and said I would in post-game, this conversation, is disgusting considering role flip & wincon. Wincon was getting lynched. To an extent, your goal was to play bad, and almost got replaced for not being able to handle criticism, for playing bad.

Really dirty plays imo, y'know, just try not to let it get the better of you next time, when your win condition is going to attract such attention.

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I will be updating OP throughout the next 24 hours

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Can I get into dead chat so I can see it?

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Sent Deadchat invite to Haku & Dev, Dev already in.

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LMAO


there are some hilarious mechanics in here. sad we didn't see anyone replace in because of them.

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I should have a sword charge here, as thats why there was no wolf kill.

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Read my posts plz thanks town

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T-Force! T-Force!


Damn, that would've been fun.


Either way, A+ flavour in terms of characters and this game. Well done to Xiz!
Oh, and to Dev as well for pulling big boi plays in his first game in years.

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I say this every game that I'm salty about this and will continue to do so until people take it more seriously

you should always read the posts of dead players, wolf and town
reread the thread, look at post history, construct reads that take the whole game into perspective and not just what people posted the current phase

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Also re: rule infractions: funnier6 was also guilty of posting about replacing out
We had multiple modkills this game too, which should never happen. Can we do something about this?

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That was really well done Dev, good shit tbh

Also you knew your stuff against me was bullshit all along omg I’m crying

Please give me wincon d0 next time tia

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I was so on the fence for which way to do it.

I knew that in an F4 with roundbox/haku/svaz that I would die
I was confident in a thunderdome between Shadow and I that I could survive
I knew that in an F3 with any 2 of roundbox/haku/svaz that I would die

After my posts about knowing I'd die as soon as I revealed my role (which, if it were a real role, I think I -would- have been wolfed right after revealing it) I really only had two options

1.
Don't kill, claim to be guarded miraculously, push Shadow lynch to bring us to 3/1
Kill somebody in the night, be almost certainly lynched in the F3 and lose

2. Just go for it, kill somebody, try to frame Shadow, hope to god it works, win the F4

Doing the kill and trying to frame Shadow was extremely risky and I am actually shocked it worked, but I thought I knew I could count on Svaz to vote Shadow, and with Roundbox gone there was no more voice to push for Shadow as town

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Ummmmm xiz, how exactly is the monokuma role supposed to lose....?

If they get shot in the night, they have a vest so that won't make them lose. If they get lynched, they win. This role seems basically un-loseable

Not to even mention the completely overpowered rule changing aspect of it

No offense to funnygurl, but I don't think that win should count. The role seems compromised to me

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We did have a kill power that could go through a vest, and enough random chances for people to die to eat the vest and then kill her, but yeah the rule changing thing was extremely risky if it didn't have some extremely hard limits on its use.

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I don't think that's enough to balance it

The wolves would want to use that on someone who they think is being protected, not on a 3P that they didn't even know had a vest

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Oh for sure, and that's basically exactly how we used it.

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- Anyone who is unable to make 500 posts per day will result in a modkill. I will kill with no mercy. I might not even give you a warning. You will be banned from any future games I host if you fail to post.

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Lmfao

The true bastard game

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I appreciate you folks for not reading into Gradiant's post when he was suppose to be dead, but...

These series of events should've, 100%, explained why the game was paused and should've, 100%, paint Devonin as the last remaining wolf.

HOWEVER there was ANOTHER post made by Dev that should've brought to everyone's attention.

This right here should've raised 3000 red flags upon the start of the last day phase.

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Not saying wolves didn't deserve the win, just pointing out to town two major things I thought was pretty obvious, and I had no prior knowledge Dev was the last wolf until the error happened, lol.

Devonin did good~

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I mean, I spent previous days saying "I shouldn't say because I'll be a huge target when I do" and it wasn't until I was pushed that I said "okay here's what it is, now you can see why I'll be a huge target" so I did prime the reveal a little more back in time than just saying it so late.

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Also I jumped on the Cook power meaning he can track to suggest that the info he had was that he tracked my action on Roundbox that night where I killed Soundwave but smoked Roundbox so I'd have actions directed at 2 people.

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Fun fact, I was suppose to be in this game somehow, but I guess the sequence of events for that to happen never happened.

I was looking forward to messing with you all.

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i wasn't using my anger to win the game. i legit stopped caring about playing the game anymore because of how toxic the environment was, an environment that you'd unfortunately contributed to.

people were way too negative towards the beginning of the game. at first, it was directed towards ffa. i consider him a friend, and i don't want people picking on him to the extent that you guys did. his flaws aside-- and regardless of what his alignment was-- the comments towards him were so negative that even he blew up.

and then regarding the behavior towards me. i know i was playing bad. i was doing it intentionally, which is obvious now. however, constantly berating me since you perceived that i'm not a good twg player fucking SUCKS, especially since i've been putting in so much effort to being a better player. there are ways to address bad plays without saying "ur bad" or making snide remarks towards the messages i put out. since you really thought i was just being bad, have you considered offering constructive criticism? there are people who approached my bad plays that way, and i appreciate that. explain why i'm wrong; don't resort to personal attacks, please

i'm also going through a lot of stuff irl, and while normal me may have been able to handle the negativity and save it for post game, my patience right now is spent. the only thing i'll apologize for here is breaking the rules by mentioning subbing out.

nothing else.

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gj devonin. you were a textbook deep wolf

no one's letting you get away with that again though :P

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vest is 1 shot

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Jokes on them, that's exactly how I play as town too, just with less fake reads and more real ones. So guess I'm just a forever lynch now :P

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Game continuing after soundwave's misflip is really really gross.

Dev you played really good, I ended up using action on you only because of you not outing role along with storn and potential deep wolf. Only mistakes that really stood out was a response to xel that confirmed that you knew soundwave was the wolfkill instead of me, and nightkilling roundbox which had a huge potential to misfire because not only was he the only one at the time hard town reading shadow, but he had no role. You were the only choice here for nightkill so you living and the 'can't believe that worked' post was a huge red flag that town decided to ignore.

Shadow's last posts were really nice getting into emotion and he defended himself to the best he was able to, aside from pointing out the dead role vs active role when mentioning roundbox being a bad kill for him to make as wolf.

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Overall think I did alright. Was only missing being on cocoa and mtamb, storn switch paid off, and almost won game if I tracked instead of saving soundwave. Still kinda mad not tracking

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I'm actually going to send a game to Xiz for once guys.

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I really liked the setup when I played it over in MU, so I figured FFR TWG should give it a try.

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Mad 17 I mean, lol

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YES

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nooooooo

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I mean it'll prolly be good for me to play as practice but also nooooooo

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Excellent play by Dev, deserves the win.

Following along I made a bunch of mistakes, the big one being that I probably always fight to get SunFan lynched there and in the process soft clear FFA. Pretty nasty plan on hindsight.

I am gonna agree that towards the end Dev shoulda been caught. He played well but that Storn lynch really only left Dev and Soundwave as the final candidates (Shado too I guess but seriously it was one of the others in my mind) so when Soundwave died I knew it was Dev

Followed by the fact that Gradiant said he learned X and then had to die because what he was told about X was wrong? That shit so blantedly obvious that I was wondering why Xiz didn't cancel the game it clearly pointed to Dev.

Instead you guys lynched Xel?

I love you all but there is no defense to that one

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sorry for following the rules

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dev used that info as a defense so idk

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xel played bad

got treated bad

bad was earned

bad was not bad

bad was your waifu

who is shit

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I'm sorry, but Devonin rolled Jon Arbuckle. I refuse to lynch Jon Arbuckle.

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The information was compromised. Xiz simply said you were given the wrong info, but then killed you because you were actually supposed to die in the night after making a big play

I didn't want to read too much into it to avoid angleshooting

Not saying that it has happened, but I refuse to be called out for not using this information when it's explicitly against the rules

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I think we need to revise something about host communication as well since it also kinda confirmed Haku as town this game (at least to sunfan)

Players should keep all host communication private, even if the host gives them info that the player could realistically bring to the thread. If the information is something the whole thread should know, I think the host should just post a contextless clarity post if need be.

Think of how it would have changed this game if said proposed style was adopted
Haku whispers to xiz about wolves knowing who the lost wolves were, xiz realizes this and reveals it in thread. Since nobody saw who asked the question, the information enters the game cleanly.

I'm also reflecting on some of the mistakes I made with my Trailer Park Boys game, and I think host communication is something that I botched and I think really, really needs fixing.

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I actually never privately asked Xiz about this. My guess is that he noticed inconsistencies with the role pm from dead players and wanted things to be clean, but could have slipped more info than he should have.

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Yes, I know you didn't. You posted your question in thread. I gave a proposed scenario of what it could have looked like.

No fault on anyone's behalf; I just think we need to revise our approach on this particular rule.

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I assumed, since he made the post before he died, that it was a post made before he died and was therefore fine to refer to?

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there is a school of thought that believes host communication in the thread is fine, and i think that same school regards asking good questions as either alignment as fairly skill-testing, but

in general i like keeping host comms private, and
i get the sense that people here would not like that as an element of the game that they have to read

i don't really want to touch the angleshooting stuff but using it as a defense sounds like it should self kill you, if that's what happened

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It's using information about what the host says or does in order to solve the game. Angleshooting would be me sitting down and theory crafting as to why Xiz killed Gradiant (Was it because he got the wrong info? But why did he die? Did Gradiant break the rules? Did Dev visit or did something else happen?). All of those questions are illegal and shouldn't be used to solve the game.
If I tried to angleshoot and deduce what happened, I only would have guessed he died because he received the wrong info in the night. However, this would have been wrong. Soundwave should have lived and Gradiant should have died. We wouldn't even have made the right conclusion even if we tried.

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Town Haku is bullshitting lies about what lost wolves know and decide to private message the host to clarify if wolves know each others.
If the host accept to clarify things because Haku is town and really doesn't know; It means that Haku cannot be a wolf.
^
This should be modkillable tbh, but it shouldn't happen as well.

This tend to be more true than not because wolves don't usually pm the host to fake clarify things because it's not cool to play like that in general.
I don't think people want to get in postgame and go like; "wow, very nice fake clarification from the host, you really outplayed us, good job man".

Honestly Xiz had the right call, but added a little too much info imo. (It didn't really matter if I misinterpret how the wolf team works, but it's cool to edit role pm from dead players, announce it in the thread and make it consistent)

It's subtle stuff.

I'm still not sure what's the best course of action for Gradiant.

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I'm not the issue here, I was supposed to die either way. The issue here is soundwave flipping, especially with the knowledge now of soundwave receiving a vest that also didn't work. That'd need a bit of clarification

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almost as legendary as Haku's "I've got six vests"

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one of these two things is true

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this game was not balanced and will not count for stats when the stats are completed

the # of anti-towns coupled with the # of people who could have had their win conditions changed to become anti-town is greater than the # of kills town had at their disposal

its a miracle this game went to f4

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finish TWG stats.

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this entire page is pretty solid reason why host interaction in thread is a bad idea

all this nerd talk about "morality" and "game ethics" and blah blah

host convo happening in private nips all this boring shit in the bud (420 blaze it)

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You played great, Dev.
Very impressive

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im still a winner in my heart

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I know you've probably thought about this a lot but it would be a good idea to assemble a kind of form/sheet that each host has to fill out for the purposes of maintaining TWG history/stats sheets

the biggest problem I faced when trying to parse the TWG history thread is the lack of uniformity in the presentation of information. the results for each game were written by the hosts in their own format so there was no real standard, which made text parsing difficult. add on top of that lack of consistency of certain games (e.g. the Villains games where "green" was actually "wolf") and the task was just intractable computationally

Like in competitive sports the refs are usually asked to fill out a simple sheet with: Score tally, time remaining, winner, and these sheets are handed to the tourney manager so that maintenance of the tourney is easy and there's no real interpretive element.

just my unsolicited 2c

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its just beyond fucked at this point
its going to be best just to get it overwith the long, hard way first before worrying about anything else

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with past games you're fucked yeah, but you're at this juncture now where you have the opportunity to make things so much less shittier in the future

like, making a Google form or excel doc or something easy

lmk if/when you get to that point

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Awwwww :D

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Roundbox I'm sorry man but you don't have to theorycraft off what the host said when the host post tells you the reason right there in the post. Also you bending backwards to pretend that info isn't there us just as bad as not using it--its just reverse angleshooting where you lose instead of win.

Frankly host should have cancelled the game If he doesn't want you to use info he put in the thread.


*smirks*

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Hard disagree. It's about the spirit of the game, not the win. I stand by my position.

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+1

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For my second ever game, learning to play while playing was one hell of an experience. I was a little amazed to go from lynched D0 to making it to F4. I had a great time playing with all of you and I'm looking forward to the next game

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Last I check the rules also stated that you had to play to your wincon but alright guys you do you